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I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here, but I would add one small caveat: Cars are complicated. DIY requires time to learn, basic skills that not e

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here, but I would add one small caveat: Cars are complicated. DIY requires time to learn, basic skills that not everyone has, and a number of tools that even I don't own, like blocks to lift your front end when you change your oil and the correct wrenches to swap out various components. If you've been raised in an environment that familiarizes you with those things, or teaches you those things, or even gives you access to some of those tools, you have a big leg up. The whole space is complicated and fucking up some small component could cost you thousands of dollars and weeks getting something repaired. It's scary! I've gotten into bicycle maintenance, an order of magnitude simpler, in the last couple of years. I'm confident about most of the small stuff, and I've built a bit of a foundation of knowledge. But with so many confusing standards and tools an opinions, even that can be confusing. Cars up the ante even more. I guess I'm just saying we should remember our privilege in this space. A lot of people don't have the time, money, or foundational knowledge to do this stuff. I really hope adult learning can expand in the USA eventually to make it easier to fill these gaps, because as you say, if you're forced to go to the dealer you're likely getting screwed on price.

tristor 4y ago
I don't think framing growing up poor and rural as a privilege because out of necessity I was forced to learn mechanical knowledge is a reasonable direction. But let's set that aside for the moment. Now, more than ever, it is accessible to learn these things. YouTube, in particular, is an amazing resource. There are numerous channels posting car repair tutorials to the point you can pretty much search <year> <make> <model> <thing> and get a step-by-step video walkthrough narrated by either a professional mechanic or a seasoned amateur on how to do that repair. I do the exact same thing myself, even though I'm well acquainted with working on cars, just to ensure I am not missing anything and to help plan what I need to bring with me in advance. From a tools perspective, that I will grant, (good) tools are expensive. That said, for better or worse, Harbor Freight exists, and a set of basic hand tools will set someone back less than $100 and last most of their life (if not longer) and is sufficient for 70% or more of common car repairs. For the price of two corner-shop oil changes, you can get everything needed to do it yourself the first time and then cut the ongoing cost of oil changes by 50% for the remainder of your life. That same initial investment then cuts the cost 30-60% for every other vehicle repair that doesn't require powertrain disassembly (which is now a pretty rare requirement under 300k miles). It's a huge economic incentive to learn, especially when the knowledge is available on the platform of your choice effectively for free. No more digging through a Chilton or Haynes manual and paying the retired neighbor in beer to show you how to do something. When you combine this with the fact many budget vehicles now include 100k mile or more warranties that are transferable, there's very little excuse for folks not investing the effort to learn. I feel this way about a lot of things, and perhaps not coincidentally, I am much better off economically when problems come my way. There is so much anxiety and fear in our society, that people seem comfortable with a sort of intellectual laziness and general malaise where they stay inside and doom scroll when they're not at work and outsource all other forms of knowledge and labor to others, or just neglect it altogether if it's unaffordable, instead of learning to do it themselves. I'm doing very well for myself these days financially, but it's compounded by the fact I don't pay people a high cost to do simple things for me I can do myself, like cook at home, change my oil and other basic car maintenance, or do small home repairs, all of which you can get free instructional materials online on how to do.
- pnutjam 4y ago
  I'm a DIY person. Alot of stuff is easy, but you know what wasn't easy? Finding a place to work on my car when I lived in an apartment. Alot of HOA's have rules as well, and landlords who rent houses. I think this is the biggest problem. It's also common that manufacturers make simple jobs harder, the engineers don't consider it. My Traverse needs lights changed through the wheel well, and it's a tight fit. The power steering fluid is hidden under a plastic shroud. I also had the misfortune of trying to change spark plugs on a Ford Expedition. It was basically impossible since they had never been changed and they have a design failure that makes them break. I had to keep that car in a carport while I worked on it for afew months. I bought several tools to try and get the sparkplugs out, but eventually had to scrap it, all because of a badly designed spark plugs.
  - tristor 4y ago
    Agreed on this. Those Ford Triton 5.4L V8s are legendary for the spark plug issues. To be fair, I think about things mostly in terms of Japanese cars, I think American brand cars are less reliable, harder to work on, and generally worse in pretty much every way.

tristor 4y ago

I don't think framing growing up poor and rural as a privilege because out of necessity I was forced to learn mechanical knowledge is a reasonable direction. But let's set that aside for the moment. Now, more than ever, it is accessible to learn these things. YouTube, in particular, is an amazing resource. There are numerous channels posting car repair tutorials to the point you can pretty much search <year> <make> <model> <thing> and get a step-by-step video walkthrough narrated by either a professional mechanic or a seasoned amateur on how to do that repair. I do the exact same thing myself, even though I'm well acquainted with working on cars, just to ensure I am not missing anything and to help plan what I need to bring with me in advance. From a tools perspective, that I will grant, (good) tools are expensive. That said, for better or worse, Harbor Freight exists, and a set of basic hand tools will set someone back less than $100 and last most of their life (if not longer) and is sufficient for 70% or more of common car repairs. For the price of two corner-shop oil changes, you can get everything needed to do it yourself the first time and then cut the ongoing cost of oil changes by 50% for the remainder of your life. That same initial investment then cuts the cost 30-60% for every other vehicle repair that doesn't require powertrain disassembly (which is now a pretty rare requirement under 300k miles). It's a huge economic incentive to learn, especially when the knowledge is available on the platform of your choice effectively for free. No more digging through a Chilton or Haynes manual and paying the retired neighbor in beer to show you how to do something. When you combine this with the fact many budget vehicles now include 100k mile or more warranties that are transferable, there's very little excuse for folks not investing the effort to learn. I feel this way about a lot of things, and perhaps not coincidentally, I am much better off economically when problems come my way. There is so much anxiety and fear in our society, that people seem comfortable with a sort of intellectual laziness and general malaise where they stay inside and doom scroll when they're not at work and outsource all other forms of knowledge and labor to others, or just neglect it altogether if it's unaffordable, instead of learning to do it themselves. I'm doing very well for myself these days financially, but it's compounded by the fact I don't pay people a high cost to do simple things for me I can do myself, like cook at home, change my oil and other basic car maintenance, or do small home repairs, all of which you can get free instructional materials online on how to do.

pnutjam 4y ago
I'm a DIY person. Alot of stuff is easy, but you know what wasn't easy? Finding a place to work on my car when I lived in an apartment. Alot of HOA's have rules as well, and landlords who rent houses. I think this is the biggest problem. It's also common that manufacturers make simple jobs harder, the engineers don't consider it. My Traverse needs lights changed through the wheel well, and it's a tight fit. The power steering fluid is hidden under a plastic shroud. I also had the misfortune of trying to change spark plugs on a Ford Expedition. It was basically impossible since they had never been changed and they have a design failure that makes them break. I had to keep that car in a carport while I worked on it for afew months. I bought several tools to try and get the sparkplugs out, but eventually had to scrap it, all because of a badly designed spark plugs.
- tristor 4y ago
  Agreed on this. Those Ford Triton 5.4L V8s are legendary for the spark plug issues. To be fair, I think about things mostly in terms of Japanese cars, I think American brand cars are less reliable, harder to work on, and generally worse in pretty much every way.