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> intend to mislead This is literally the definition of lying.

giantg2 4y ago
Source? The definitions I saw do not match. You can intentionally mislead someone through the selective use of truths without using any "counter-factual" or untrue statements.
- sophacles 4y ago
  Google define lie: * used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression. "all their married life she had been living a lie" Google "define lying". It says this: tell a lie or lies. and this (of a thing) present a false impression; be deceptive. --- Intentionally misleading is deceptive, even if it states only facts.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    Here's one from an actual dictionary. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying
    - sophacles 4y ago
      Google pulls from the OED. Anyway, have fun with ridiculous semantic nonsense - I'm going to go find people who bother to interact in good faith.
      - giantg2 4y ago
        I am interacting in good faith. A lie requires a falsehood. There is a difference between a lie and deception - they aren't perfect synonymous. The example from your cited definition is really a poor one since it relies on a saying more than a factual use of the word, and the example itself does imply an actual falsehood in that someone lied during the marriage vows or during the marriage. But wait, let's look at the instant replay. You claim that lying and deception at the same. So why would you get involved in this conversation to say that? According to you, their use is interchangeable and makes no difference. If you have something to add to the actual conversation and not about definitions, then please do.
        sophacles 4y ago
        There is concept called a "lie of omission". I did not invent that term - it's older than you and i combined. Intentionally witholding information to deceive a person has long been considered a lie. There is a difference between telling a lie and being mistaken, no? If you are learning something and give the wrong answer on a quiz, are you lying? Both of those are falsehoods that aren't intending to deceive, and most people wouldn't count those as lies. The word lie, requires an intent to deceive.
        giantg2 4y ago
        "The word lie, requires an intent to deceive." This isn't being debated. "There is concept called a "lie of omission"." And that's why it's a concept and requires additional words to convey. It's not included by default. This would moee generally fall under deception. I'll ask again, anything to add to the actual discussion?
        sophacles 4y ago
        There's a couple other concepts I suggest you look into: adjective and category. "Bird of prey" is still a bird no? "Person of interest" is still a person, no? "Box of chocolates", "bag of food", "bottle of whiskey", and "bowl of soup" are all containers no?
        giantg2 4y ago
        Again, anything to add to the actual discussion? Aren't you the one that was complaining about semantics? Lie of omission is an atypical use and is inconsistent with the definition that I posted earlier. You can cherry pick your definition while ignoring the one I posted and use typical examples that don't correleate to this atypical use that changes the very definition. If I withhold information from you it may be misleading, but it quite simply is not a lie. Now please stop trolling and actually contribute to the conversation about distrust of the media instead of focusing on the very thing you complained about - semantics.
  - wrycoder 4y ago
    That’s spin, not lie. Your source is spinning the definition of lie, for some reason.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      It turns out this is a very old discussion. There is a concept called a "lie of omission". Here's a wikipedia page about the entire concept of lies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie A question for you: if you make a mistake or misunderstand something then share it, are you a liar? I don't mean like your current actions - the part where you are pretending that you have never encountered the notion of lying like this is clearly itself some sort of lie. I mean like say you apply some math rule incorrectly on a test. Should you be kicked out for lying to the teacher?
      - wrycoder 4y ago
        To lie is to tell a deliberate falsehood - to say something you know to be untrue. Sometimes this is taken to be acceptable - to tell a "white lie", e.g. in response to, "Does this dress make me look fat?" Saying something incorrect, but which you believe to be true, is no lie.

Source? The definitions I saw do not match. You can intentionally mislead someone through the selective use of truths without using any "counter-factual" or untrue statements.

sophacles 4y ago
Google define lie: * used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression. "all their married life she had been living a lie" Google "define lying". It says this: tell a lie or lies. and this (of a thing) present a false impression; be deceptive. --- Intentionally misleading is deceptive, even if it states only facts.
- giantg2 4y ago
  Here's one from an actual dictionary. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying
  - sophacles 4y ago
    Google pulls from the OED. Anyway, have fun with ridiculous semantic nonsense - I'm going to go find people who bother to interact in good faith.
    - giantg2 4y ago
      I am interacting in good faith. A lie requires a falsehood. There is a difference between a lie and deception - they aren't perfect synonymous. The example from your cited definition is really a poor one since it relies on a saying more than a factual use of the word, and the example itself does imply an actual falsehood in that someone lied during the marriage vows or during the marriage. But wait, let's look at the instant replay. You claim that lying and deception at the same. So why would you get involved in this conversation to say that? According to you, their use is interchangeable and makes no difference. If you have something to add to the actual conversation and not about definitions, then please do.
      - sophacles 4y ago
        There is concept called a "lie of omission". I did not invent that term - it's older than you and i combined. Intentionally witholding information to deceive a person has long been considered a lie. There is a difference between telling a lie and being mistaken, no? If you are learning something and give the wrong answer on a quiz, are you lying? Both of those are falsehoods that aren't intending to deceive, and most people wouldn't count those as lies. The word lie, requires an intent to deceive.
        giantg2 4y ago
        "The word lie, requires an intent to deceive." This isn't being debated. "There is concept called a "lie of omission"." And that's why it's a concept and requires additional words to convey. It's not included by default. This would moee generally fall under deception. I'll ask again, anything to add to the actual discussion?
        sophacles 4y ago
        There's a couple other concepts I suggest you look into: adjective and category. "Bird of prey" is still a bird no? "Person of interest" is still a person, no? "Box of chocolates", "bag of food", "bottle of whiskey", and "bowl of soup" are all containers no?
        giantg2 4y ago
        Again, anything to add to the actual discussion? Aren't you the one that was complaining about semantics? Lie of omission is an atypical use and is inconsistent with the definition that I posted earlier. You can cherry pick your definition while ignoring the one I posted and use typical examples that don't correleate to this atypical use that changes the very definition. If I withhold information from you it may be misleading, but it quite simply is not a lie. Now please stop trolling and actually contribute to the conversation about distrust of the media instead of focusing on the very thing you complained about - semantics.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  That’s spin, not lie. Your source is spinning the definition of lie, for some reason.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    It turns out this is a very old discussion. There is a concept called a "lie of omission". Here's a wikipedia page about the entire concept of lies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie A question for you: if you make a mistake or misunderstand something then share it, are you a liar? I don't mean like your current actions - the part where you are pretending that you have never encountered the notion of lying like this is clearly itself some sort of lie. I mean like say you apply some math rule incorrectly on a test. Should you be kicked out for lying to the teacher?
    - wrycoder 4y ago
      To lie is to tell a deliberate falsehood - to say something you know to be untrue. Sometimes this is taken to be acceptable - to tell a "white lie", e.g. in response to, "Does this dress make me look fat?" Saying something incorrect, but which you believe to be true, is no lie.