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Over past year I've watched my partner switch from wanting a Tesla to wanting a Polestar 2. The decision is based entirely on Tesla's brand image and it's thing

by idk1 4y ago

Over past year I've watched my partner switch from wanting a Tesla to wanting a Polestar 2. The decision is based entirely on Tesla's brand image and it's things like this and Elon posting on twitter that just keep doing it damage. It's difficult to boycott Amazon but it is not difficult to boycott Tesla, do they not understand their customer base cares about this sort of thing? Or is it not doing actual damage to the brand?

outside1234 4y ago
Oh they understand it - you saw the massive price drop right?
recursive 4y ago
For me, Tesla's brand impression is more favorable than Amazon. I don't give either one of them any money though. I would consider buying from Tesla though. This particular news story doesn't strike me as being particularly significant. At least in a way I understand. I have a pretty loose understanding of what union stuff is all about.
93po 4y ago
Do you also boycott other brands for worse crimes than shitposting on twitter? Is it more important to boycott Tesla because of Elon than it is to boycott Geely, which owns the Polestar brand, which has been linked to forced Uyghur labor in Xinjiang? https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale
- idk1 4y ago
  I think s***posting on Twitter is a huge undersatement, what Elon has done on Twitter is un-ban right-wing and hate speech people. He has made the world significatly more full of hate. That is not s***posting. The citation on your post about Geely is a "data is based on supplier lists" so I think we can take it from a different perspective: So what is worse imo? What are we weighing up here? Tesla vs Polestar. Elon making the world more full of hate vs Geely having suppliers on this list. If I had to pick one of those two, it would still easily be Polestar. No, I do not think I will boycott Geely based on this, I will contact them and see if they can clear their act up. I hope Nintendo and Nike do too on that list. I cannot forgive or get over the damage Elon has done.
  - 93po 4y ago
    > He has made the world significatly more full of hate This is demonstrably false. Hate speech impressions and the number of tweets containing slurs are lower than they were pre-acquisition. He has actively reduced it. The TwitterSafety account provides this data. Also if you're upset at Twitter for not censoring perspectives counter to the typical American left, are you also going to boycott Facebook, Youtube, WhatsApp, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc? Virtually all of these platforms host far-right influencers. Are you going to boycott ISPs for providing service to these people? Boycott Apple for selling them iPhones? These companies all have the same choice and ability to refuse services to these people. Why is only Elon the bad guy here? Also, good to know where you stand. Letting Ben Shapiro post stupid shit on twitter is worse than literal slavery imposed on a group of people for their religious beliefs. Stay classy, HN.
    - idk1 4y ago
      I'm sorry I've no idea who Ben Shapiro is, could you go into a little detail here please? I'm from the UK so I'm not sure what's going on over there, Elon's reach does come here though because Twitter is global. Edit - I showed my partner your messages and he said it's a moot point because the Tesla doesn't have Car Play, so even if Elon started acting nice he still wouldn't get the Tesla until Car Play is supported. The Polestar 2 does have Car Play.

by idk1 4y ago

outside1234 4y ago

Oh they understand it - you saw the massive price drop right?

recursive 4y ago

For me, Tesla's brand impression is more favorable than Amazon. I don't give either one of them any money though. I would consider buying from Tesla though. This particular news story doesn't strike me as being particularly significant. At least in a way I understand. I have a pretty loose understanding of what union stuff is all about.

93po 4y ago

Do you also boycott other brands for worse crimes than shitposting on twitter? Is it more important to boycott Tesla because of Elon than it is to boycott Geely, which owns the Polestar brand, which has been linked to forced Uyghur labor in Xinjiang? https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

idk1 4y ago
I think s***posting on Twitter is a huge undersatement, what Elon has done on Twitter is un-ban right-wing and hate speech people. He has made the world significatly more full of hate. That is not s***posting. The citation on your post about Geely is a "data is based on supplier lists" so I think we can take it from a different perspective: So what is worse imo? What are we weighing up here? Tesla vs Polestar. Elon making the world more full of hate vs Geely having suppliers on this list. If I had to pick one of those two, it would still easily be Polestar. No, I do not think I will boycott Geely based on this, I will contact them and see if they can clear their act up. I hope Nintendo and Nike do too on that list. I cannot forgive or get over the damage Elon has done.
- 93po 4y ago
  > He has made the world significatly more full of hate This is demonstrably false. Hate speech impressions and the number of tweets containing slurs are lower than they were pre-acquisition. He has actively reduced it. The TwitterSafety account provides this data. Also if you're upset at Twitter for not censoring perspectives counter to the typical American left, are you also going to boycott Facebook, Youtube, WhatsApp, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc? Virtually all of these platforms host far-right influencers. Are you going to boycott ISPs for providing service to these people? Boycott Apple for selling them iPhones? These companies all have the same choice and ability to refuse services to these people. Why is only Elon the bad guy here? Also, good to know where you stand. Letting Ben Shapiro post stupid shit on twitter is worse than literal slavery imposed on a group of people for their religious beliefs. Stay classy, HN.
  - idk1 4y ago
    I'm sorry I've no idea who Ben Shapiro is, could you go into a little detail here please? I'm from the UK so I'm not sure what's going on over there, Elon's reach does come here though because Twitter is global. Edit - I showed my partner your messages and he said it's a moot point because the Tesla doesn't have Car Play, so even if Elon started acting nice he still wouldn't get the Tesla until Car Play is supported. The Polestar 2 does have Car Play.