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Very useful. I searched for "pasta" and almost nothing showed up but I think I am not yet very good at using the tool. Anyway it's very interesting to have a da

Very useful. I searched for "pasta" and almost nothing showed up but I think I am not yet very good at using the tool. Anyway it's very interesting to have a database of some old text about cooking to search.

dom96 4y ago
I just tried "chicken", lots of stuff came up
giraffe_lady 4y ago
Pasta and its cognates is a real ball of culinary-taxonomic mud so that's a pretty unlucky first choice I think. The word pasta and etymological relatives are also the words for all dough, sausage (pâté), porridge, pastry (pâtisserie), pesto, etc etc in different european cuisines and that's just what I know off the top of my head, in use in the last few decades. If you expand it out a couple hundred years who fucking knows what will have been known by that word or its variants. I'm not even sure how long that usage dates in english either. Even as recently as mid-late 20th century american cookbooks referred to all noodles as macaroni and used that word generically the same way we use pasta now.
- perihelions 4y ago
  I think pesto doesn't belong there: it comes from a different Latin word that seems unrelated. - "From Latin pistus (“crushed, pounded”), from Latin pīnsō (“to pound, beat, crush”), whose frequentative also gave Italian pestare (“to pound”)." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pesto#Italian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pesto#Italian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pasta#Latin https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pasta#Latin
stonemetal12 4y ago
>First attested in English in 1874, the word pasta comes from Italian pasta, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta Evidently it is a young word relatively speaking.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  Why do people keep using Wikipedia? From an actual historical dictionary, the Oxford English Dictionary: Earliest use as an English word: 1830: J. P. Cobbett Jrnl. Tour Italy 214 Maccaroni, like vermicelli, is only one of the forms into which the Italians make what they call ‘pasta’ or paste. It requires a particular sort of wheat, a brittle, flinty grain, to make this pasta. Earliest mention in English (i.e., as an Italian word): 1820: W. A. Cadell Journey Carniola, Italy & France II. 152 The Italians prefer that [sc. Macaroni] which is fresh made, and made at home, and called pasta di casa, household paste.*
  - stonemetal12 4y ago
    For me, laziness mostly. OED isn't free, and I don't care enough to pay for it, or figure out how to get it free. Even if the correct date is 1830 or even 1820, it is a distinction without difference. It misses the middle ages by more than a hundred years.

dom96 4y ago

I just tried "chicken", lots of stuff came up

giraffe_lady 4y ago

Pasta and its cognates is a real ball of culinary-taxonomic mud so that's a pretty unlucky first choice I think. The word pasta and etymological relatives are also the words for all dough, sausage (pâté), porridge, pastry (pâtisserie), pesto, etc etc in different european cuisines and that's just what I know off the top of my head, in use in the last few decades. If you expand it out a couple hundred years who fucking knows what will have been known by that word or its variants. I'm not even sure how long that usage dates in english either. Even as recently as mid-late 20th century american cookbooks referred to all noodles as macaroni and used that word generically the same way we use pasta now.

perihelions 4y ago
I think pesto doesn't belong there: it comes from a different Latin word that seems unrelated. - "From Latin pistus (“crushed, pounded”), from Latin pīnsō (“to pound, beat, crush”), whose frequentative also gave Italian pestare (“to pound”)." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pesto#Italian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pesto#Italian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pasta#Latin https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pasta#Latin

stonemetal12 4y ago

>First attested in English in 1874, the word pasta comes from Italian pasta, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta Evidently it is a young word relatively speaking.

wolverine876 4y ago
Why do people keep using Wikipedia? From an actual historical dictionary, the Oxford English Dictionary: Earliest use as an English word: 1830: J. P. Cobbett Jrnl. Tour Italy 214 Maccaroni, like vermicelli, is only one of the forms into which the Italians make what they call ‘pasta’ or paste. It requires a particular sort of wheat, a brittle, flinty grain, to make this pasta. Earliest mention in English (i.e., as an Italian word): 1820: W. A. Cadell Journey Carniola, Italy & France II. 152 The Italians prefer that [sc. Macaroni] which is fresh made, and made at home, and called pasta di casa, household paste.*
- stonemetal12 4y ago
  For me, laziness mostly. OED isn't free, and I don't care enough to pay for it, or figure out how to get it free. Even if the correct date is 1830 or even 1820, it is a distinction without difference. It misses the middle ages by more than a hundred years.