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> don't apply to independent journalists What a naïveté. Independent journalists are even more beholden to their audiences, if they start talking up something

by yks 4y ago

> don't apply to independent journalists What a naïveté. Independent journalists are even more beholden to their audiences, if they start talking up something those audiences don’t like, their incomes dwindle. I’ve yet to see a prominent independent media figure that changed their position on any topic, regardless of real life events or evidence.

user3939382 4y ago
> I’ve yet to see a prominent independent media figure that changed their position on any topic, regardless of real life events or evidence Jimmy Dore supported the official narrative on COVID when it started. Matt Taibbi just did a long, explicit mea culpa on Rogan about being wrong about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That's just off the top of my head, and those are two of the biggest.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  And both of those position changes feed INTO their 'Independent' thinker audiences not contradict with them.
  - user3939382 4y ago
    Yeah they're pandering to people who value the truth. /s Your comment makes no sense with Matt Taibbi's statements. I'm not sure you understand what he said and corrected.
    - ROTMetro 4y ago
      Not those that value truth. They are pandering to contrarians and people who need the world to make sense and have order hence all the nefarious plots behind everything. Do you mean when he apologized for adamantly saying that Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine and it was only 'dishonest types' that were pushing the narrative that Russia was going to invade? I mean, when Taibbi gets the start so so incredibly wrong in such a biased (an anti-discourse) way I kinda stop following anything old boy says so you are going to have to give me more details about what specific walk back of his you are referring to?
      - user3939382 4y ago
        > when Taibbi gets the start so so incredibly wrong I see. So, when he retracts and apologizes for a mistake, he can't be listened to anymore. If he doesn't retract a mistake, he's one of the Bad Guy independent media who never corrects a mistake. The requirement then is to be 100% right about every take in his career. I wonder how that standard holds up to the corporate media who, just as a single example, told everyone the Hunter Biden laptop story was a Russian op, likely changing the result of our Presidential election, whereas Hunter years later admits the story was real and the laptop was his? > nefarious plots behind everything The "nefarious plot behind everything" is that our government is corrupt. Just like most governments around the world, and just as has been largely the case within empires for millennia. To frame government corruption as a wild conspiracy theory requires ignorance to much of human history.
    - fortuna86 4y ago
      Taibbi admitted he was wrong on Ukraine because there's no other way to spin it, he was out of options. He's still giving his new and largely right wing audience what it wants: "Elon isn't right wing, give me one example of that" - Endorsed Ron desantis - Told everyone to vote Republican - Tweeted out "I am a Republican"
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Have you seen what happens with communitys who caught there leaders lying and not retracting? Flamewars and death.

by yks 4y ago

user3939382 4y ago

> I’ve yet to see a prominent independent media figure that changed their position on any topic, regardless of real life events or evidence Jimmy Dore supported the official narrative on COVID when it started. Matt Taibbi just did a long, explicit mea culpa on Rogan about being wrong about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That's just off the top of my head, and those are two of the biggest.

ROTMetro 4y ago
And both of those position changes feed INTO their 'Independent' thinker audiences not contradict with them.
- user3939382 4y ago
  Yeah they're pandering to people who value the truth. /s Your comment makes no sense with Matt Taibbi's statements. I'm not sure you understand what he said and corrected.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    Not those that value truth. They are pandering to contrarians and people who need the world to make sense and have order hence all the nefarious plots behind everything. Do you mean when he apologized for adamantly saying that Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine and it was only 'dishonest types' that were pushing the narrative that Russia was going to invade? I mean, when Taibbi gets the start so so incredibly wrong in such a biased (an anti-discourse) way I kinda stop following anything old boy says so you are going to have to give me more details about what specific walk back of his you are referring to?
    - user3939382 4y ago
      > when Taibbi gets the start so so incredibly wrong I see. So, when he retracts and apologizes for a mistake, he can't be listened to anymore. If he doesn't retract a mistake, he's one of the Bad Guy independent media who never corrects a mistake. The requirement then is to be 100% right about every take in his career. I wonder how that standard holds up to the corporate media who, just as a single example, told everyone the Hunter Biden laptop story was a Russian op, likely changing the result of our Presidential election, whereas Hunter years later admits the story was real and the laptop was his? > nefarious plots behind everything The "nefarious plot behind everything" is that our government is corrupt. Just like most governments around the world, and just as has been largely the case within empires for millennia. To frame government corruption as a wild conspiracy theory requires ignorance to much of human history.
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    Taibbi admitted he was wrong on Ukraine because there's no other way to spin it, he was out of options. He's still giving his new and largely right wing audience what it wants: "Elon isn't right wing, give me one example of that" - Endorsed Ron desantis - Told everyone to vote Republican - Tweeted out "I am a Republican"

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

Have you seen what happens with communitys who caught there leaders lying and not retracting? Flamewars and death.