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> Seeing footage of Trump supporters and speaking with them is sufficient to expose them as bad people You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad peopl

> Seeing footage of Trump supporters and speaking with them is sufficient to expose them as bad people You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people, as if they have no other motive than to do evil. I didn’t like him either, but give me a break and try to let go of that media narrative. His supporters were just people. Both sides have outspoken nut jobs stealing the spotlight

at_a_remove 4y ago
That's the "basket of deplorables" thinking. You'll hear less-dressed up terms like "garbage people," like someone ought to be thrown out with the trash, applied to huge populations. It's kind of wild.
bojo 4y ago
Absolutely this. Media had my neighbor yelling in my face and threatening to fight me over our differences in opinion over masks. Objectively he's not a bad guy, and I told him that I think we have more in common than not, then went inside. We really need to stop this cycle of hate. I want to feel safe in my neighborhood and get along with folk. We don't need to agree, but we need to recognize that we are Americans and on the same damn side in the end.
ss108 4y ago
> You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people So? You judge the moral and intellectual merits of things by how popular they are? That's your call. I don't. > Both sides have outspoken nut jobs stealing the spotlight Not really. Only one set of nutjobs actually stormed Congress in an attempt to overturn the results of an election. You've bought into a narrative that minimizes what is an insane fact.
- ESTheComposer 4y ago
  QAnon nuts don't represent all conservatives, just as the people inciting riots and looting during BLM don't represent all liberals. Black and white thinking is stupid in this day and age yet it seems to persist
  - somewhat_drunk 4y ago
    The ideals of Qanon were implicitly accepted into the American right, and have been working their way into the mainstream. How do you think MTG got where she is? The Republican party is the party of conspiracy nuts. If you don't like it, then kick them out. But you can't, because a significant percentage of your group would be gone, and a larger percentage don't disagree with much of what the Q-tards believe.
    - fwungy 4y ago
      MTG got where she is because she's a representative from a small, hard red district. The whole country could absolutely hate a representative and it makes no difference because it's the populations of those small districts that vote.
      - somewhat_drunk 4y ago
        MTG got to where she is because she was willing to parrot Qanon bullshit to gain the position. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie-taylor-greene-blames-internet-qanon-beliefs-1234657579/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie... https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q...
    - ESTheComposer 4y ago
      Great to see percentages thrown out without citations, unless you’ve of course spoken to most of them throughout the US personally. Also I’m not a Republican so
      - somewhat_drunk 4y ago
        I assume you know how to use google, yes? I literally just googled "what percentage of republicans believe in qanon". This is the first result: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... Stop being so fucking obtuse.
- fwungy 4y ago
  Washington D.C. is a high crime city, but you can safely walk in the National Mall at any hour of the day or night alone, and people do. If it were anywhere else it would be a place be a place most people wouldn't feel safe at when alone late at night in a city like DC. Know why? Because Capitol Hill and the Mall are secured six ways to Sunday. It is the seat of the US global empire. Congressmembers and high officials are common sights all around DC and they move around pretty freely. It is common to see them around town. It would seemingly be easy for extremists to find these people and intimidate of harm them, and yet this almost never happens. That's because DC itself is highly secured, at least where the government people live and work. Congress and the Mall are a secure fortress within a secure city. There are soldiers, air defenses, snipers, and heavy surveillance everywhere. The J6 protesters had no guns, no supplies, no secure communications, no central command. They were no match for capitol security. The police officers who allegedly died that day are not listed at "line of duty" deaths, i.e. no one says they were killed by J6 protester violence. Capitol security shot and killed an unarmed woman protester, the only death attributable to direct violence. This was also not the first time protesters had occupied the building. I don't claim to know what actually happened on J6, but it is quite obvious that many of the media narratives about it are highly incompetent at best. You can only lie to my face so many times before I start to question your credibility.
  - ss108 4y ago
    ? This is just dumb. Who cares whether they were armed? The point is that they had the motive to do wrong and they took action in furtherance of it. They don't deserve leniency for being various forms of incompetent. It's pretty disgusting you'd make the moral choice to peg the media as lying instead of being appalled that people stormed Congress and fought the capitol police.
    - fwungy 4y ago
      Do you hold the other occupiers of Congress to the same standard? Congress chose to let them in because they could have stopped them if they didn't want them inside. You probably didn't read and understand what I said. THE CAPITOL IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE SITES IN THE WORLD. UNARMED PROTESTERS DID NOT STORM IT. THEY WERE ALLOWED INSIDE. That the media cannot figure something so simple out tells all.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
Mask off, at least 46% of Americans are bad people. Most people in every country are chiefly interested in furthering their own goals.
- ESTheComposer 4y ago
  Wanting to further your own goals !== "bad people". You can want to further your own goals while helping others.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  I believe this "further your own goals" thing is a particularly American thing. There's a saying that Americans vote with their pocket-books. It does appear to me that whatever other policies they claim to espouse, when it comes to the crunch they vote for tax reductions. I suppose that's partly because of pork-barrel politics, and the huge tides of money that wash around US election campaigns. If all the politicians are bought and paid-for, then they can't be trusted to handle taxpayers' money properly.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Nah, about 15-20%. Hillary's "basket of deplorables", as stated (IIRC "about a third" of Trump supporters was how she put it—her entire point was that most weren't actually awful). That was just true. Generous, even. The rest were along for the ride for various reasons, often because they felt compelled to vote for the candidate most likely to support a pro-life position.
rootusrootus 4y ago
Maybe not 46%, but c'mon. No Democrats ever came up to me at a restaurant and told my three year old they hoped Daddy was smart enough for vote for Hillary. I don't recall any attempts by Democratic supporters to run a Trump bus off the road. I've never seen the equivalent of "Fuck your Feelings" flags flown by liberals. Remind me of the years long conserted effort on the part of liberals to claim a Republican politician was born in some other country. How many of that 46% you refer to believe to this day that Obama is a secret muslim or Kenyan? Please be honest.
- refurb 4y ago
  You clearly haven’t lived in San Francisco if you think crappy behavior is limited to the right. The vile they’ll spew at someone who doesn’t adhere 100% to their views is pretty shocking. And in terms of violence didn’t some Democrat shoot at a bunch of Republicans playing baseball a few years ago?
somewhat_drunk 4y ago
>You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people They're not all bad people, most are just stupid.

at_a_remove 4y ago

That's the "basket of deplorables" thinking. You'll hear less-dressed up terms like "garbage people," like someone ought to be thrown out with the trash, applied to huge populations. It's kind of wild.

bojo 4y ago

Absolutely this. Media had my neighbor yelling in my face and threatening to fight me over our differences in opinion over masks. Objectively he's not a bad guy, and I told him that I think we have more in common than not, then went inside. We really need to stop this cycle of hate. I want to feel safe in my neighborhood and get along with folk. We don't need to agree, but we need to recognize that we are Americans and on the same damn side in the end.

ss108 4y ago

> You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people So? You judge the moral and intellectual merits of things by how popular they are? That's your call. I don't. > Both sides have outspoken nut jobs stealing the spotlight Not really. Only one set of nutjobs actually stormed Congress in an attempt to overturn the results of an election. You've bought into a narrative that minimizes what is an insane fact.

ESTheComposer 4y ago
QAnon nuts don't represent all conservatives, just as the people inciting riots and looting during BLM don't represent all liberals. Black and white thinking is stupid in this day and age yet it seems to persist
- somewhat_drunk 4y ago
  The ideals of Qanon were implicitly accepted into the American right, and have been working their way into the mainstream. How do you think MTG got where she is? The Republican party is the party of conspiracy nuts. If you don't like it, then kick them out. But you can't, because a significant percentage of your group would be gone, and a larger percentage don't disagree with much of what the Q-tards believe.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    MTG got where she is because she's a representative from a small, hard red district. The whole country could absolutely hate a representative and it makes no difference because it's the populations of those small districts that vote.
    - somewhat_drunk 4y ago
      MTG got to where she is because she was willing to parrot Qanon bullshit to gain the position. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie-taylor-greene-blames-internet-qanon-beliefs-1234657579/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie... https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q...
  - ESTheComposer 4y ago
    Great to see percentages thrown out without citations, unless you’ve of course spoken to most of them throughout the US personally. Also I’m not a Republican so
    - somewhat_drunk 4y ago
      I assume you know how to use google, yes? I literally just googled "what percentage of republicans believe in qanon". This is the first result: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... Stop being so fucking obtuse.
fwungy 4y ago
Washington D.C. is a high crime city, but you can safely walk in the National Mall at any hour of the day or night alone, and people do. If it were anywhere else it would be a place be a place most people wouldn't feel safe at when alone late at night in a city like DC. Know why? Because Capitol Hill and the Mall are secured six ways to Sunday. It is the seat of the US global empire. Congressmembers and high officials are common sights all around DC and they move around pretty freely. It is common to see them around town. It would seemingly be easy for extremists to find these people and intimidate of harm them, and yet this almost never happens. That's because DC itself is highly secured, at least where the government people live and work. Congress and the Mall are a secure fortress within a secure city. There are soldiers, air defenses, snipers, and heavy surveillance everywhere. The J6 protesters had no guns, no supplies, no secure communications, no central command. They were no match for capitol security. The police officers who allegedly died that day are not listed at "line of duty" deaths, i.e. no one says they were killed by J6 protester violence. Capitol security shot and killed an unarmed woman protester, the only death attributable to direct violence. This was also not the first time protesters had occupied the building. I don't claim to know what actually happened on J6, but it is quite obvious that many of the media narratives about it are highly incompetent at best. You can only lie to my face so many times before I start to question your credibility.
- ss108 4y ago
  ? This is just dumb. Who cares whether they were armed? The point is that they had the motive to do wrong and they took action in furtherance of it. They don't deserve leniency for being various forms of incompetent. It's pretty disgusting you'd make the moral choice to peg the media as lying instead of being appalled that people stormed Congress and fought the capitol police.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    Do you hold the other occupiers of Congress to the same standard? Congress chose to let them in because they could have stopped them if they didn't want them inside. You probably didn't read and understand what I said. THE CAPITOL IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE SITES IN THE WORLD. UNARMED PROTESTERS DID NOT STORM IT. THEY WERE ALLOWED INSIDE. That the media cannot figure something so simple out tells all.

HDThoreaun 4y ago

Mask off, at least 46% of Americans are bad people. Most people in every country are chiefly interested in furthering their own goals.

ESTheComposer 4y ago
Wanting to further your own goals !== "bad people". You can want to further your own goals while helping others.
denton-scratch 4y ago
I believe this "further your own goals" thing is a particularly American thing. There's a saying that Americans vote with their pocket-books. It does appear to me that whatever other policies they claim to espouse, when it comes to the crunch they vote for tax reductions. I suppose that's partly because of pork-barrel politics, and the huge tides of money that wash around US election campaigns. If all the politicians are bought and paid-for, then they can't be trusted to handle taxpayers' money properly.

yamtaddle 4y ago

Nah, about 15-20%. Hillary's "basket of deplorables", as stated (IIRC "about a third" of Trump supporters was how she put it—her entire point was that most weren't actually awful). That was just true. Generous, even. The rest were along for the ride for various reasons, often because they felt compelled to vote for the candidate most likely to support a pro-life position.

rootusrootus 4y ago

Maybe not 46%, but c'mon. No Democrats ever came up to me at a restaurant and told my three year old they hoped Daddy was smart enough for vote for Hillary. I don't recall any attempts by Democratic supporters to run a Trump bus off the road. I've never seen the equivalent of "Fuck your Feelings" flags flown by liberals. Remind me of the years long conserted effort on the part of liberals to claim a Republican politician was born in some other country. How many of that 46% you refer to believe to this day that Obama is a secret muslim or Kenyan? Please be honest.

refurb 4y ago
You clearly haven’t lived in San Francisco if you think crappy behavior is limited to the right. The vile they’ll spew at someone who doesn’t adhere 100% to their views is pretty shocking. And in terms of violence didn’t some Democrat shoot at a bunch of Republicans playing baseball a few years ago?

somewhat_drunk 4y ago

>You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people They're not all bad people, most are just stupid.