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Any actual arguments? I don't see why something that's little more than a file server needs telemetry.

by pdimitar 4y ago

nicky0 4y ago
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- pdimitar 4y ago
  Several phrases yet zero actual counter-arguments. Everyone from 6 years old and above can swoop in and insult. Maybe you were lost on your way to Reddit?
  - dylan604 4y ago
    How about calling it nothing more than a file server is also just a Reddit style insult. If you think a package manager is nothing more than a file server, I'd suggest you learn more about what a package manger does or just go live in Reddit land with all of the other willfully ignorant types. It is not for us to convince you otherwise. It's such lame comparison that even searching for "file server vs package manager" doesn't even autofill because nobody searches for it because probably nobody would ever even sanely think to make the comparison.
shepherdjerred 4y ago
> something that's little more than a file server You're doing an awful disservice to Homebrew.
- pdimitar 4y ago
  I am, yes, and sorry about it. I don't like telemetry at all and I believe we have to find other ways to do QA. Hence my strong reaction.
therealdrag0 4y ago
Have you looked at the analytics yet? Or are you only speaking from ideological priors? The most valuable one I’d guess is package install error rates. Seems pretty useful to me.
woodruffw 4y ago
Homebrew is a package manager with thousands of packages, not a file server. We maintain those packages, and knowing when they break (or can be deprecated due to lack of use) is critical to the project's sustenance.
- pdimitar 4y ago
  Okay, fair enough. But the breakage can't be detected without telemetry then, I take it? If so, that's... not ideal for sure.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Homebrew can detect a lot of things during normal maintenance work: there are extensive tests and checks during compilation and bottle building, for example. However, we can't catch everything: Homebrew has millions of users, and those users have all kinds of different setups. We can't predict every possible host and software interaction; basic failure analytics help bridge the gap there.
    - pdimitar 4y ago
      Okay, I'm sold, and I'm sorry for being blunt. Where can I learn more? Can you point me at the right place in the source? I'll not be banning Homebrew telemetry.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        I understand the desire for privacy, and the seriousness that comes with it! I've linked Homebrew's analytics data and the source code that collects it elsewhere in this thread. And, to be absolutely clear: it is perfectly fine for you to disable Homebrew's analytics. There are an infinite number of legitimate reasons for doing so, including the most basic one of "I just don't want to." My sole goal is to dispel the small number of inaccurate beliefs about what Homebrew collects, why we collect it, etc.
        4y ago

Any actual arguments? I don't see why something that's little more than a file server needs telemetry.

nicky0 4y ago

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pdimitar 4y ago
Several phrases yet zero actual counter-arguments. Everyone from 6 years old and above can swoop in and insult. Maybe you were lost on your way to Reddit?
- dylan604 4y ago
  How about calling it nothing more than a file server is also just a Reddit style insult. If you think a package manager is nothing more than a file server, I'd suggest you learn more about what a package manger does or just go live in Reddit land with all of the other willfully ignorant types. It is not for us to convince you otherwise. It's such lame comparison that even searching for "file server vs package manager" doesn't even autofill because nobody searches for it because probably nobody would ever even sanely think to make the comparison.

shepherdjerred 4y ago

> something that's little more than a file server You're doing an awful disservice to Homebrew.

pdimitar 4y ago
I am, yes, and sorry about it. I don't like telemetry at all and I believe we have to find other ways to do QA. Hence my strong reaction.

therealdrag0 4y ago

Have you looked at the analytics yet? Or are you only speaking from ideological priors? The most valuable one I’d guess is package install error rates. Seems pretty useful to me.

woodruffw 4y ago

Homebrew is a package manager with thousands of packages, not a file server. We maintain those packages, and knowing when they break (or can be deprecated due to lack of use) is critical to the project's sustenance.

pdimitar 4y ago
Okay, fair enough. But the breakage can't be detected without telemetry then, I take it? If so, that's... not ideal for sure.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Homebrew can detect a lot of things during normal maintenance work: there are extensive tests and checks during compilation and bottle building, for example. However, we can't catch everything: Homebrew has millions of users, and those users have all kinds of different setups. We can't predict every possible host and software interaction; basic failure analytics help bridge the gap there.
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    Okay, I'm sold, and I'm sorry for being blunt. Where can I learn more? Can you point me at the right place in the source? I'll not be banning Homebrew telemetry.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      I understand the desire for privacy, and the seriousness that comes with it! I've linked Homebrew's analytics data and the source code that collects it elsewhere in this thread. And, to be absolutely clear: it is perfectly fine for you to disable Homebrew's analytics. There are an infinite number of legitimate reasons for doing so, including the most basic one of "I just don't want to." My sole goal is to dispel the small number of inaccurate beliefs about what Homebrew collects, why we collect it, etc.
      - 4y ago