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luckylion 4y ago
Unemployment rates: USA: 3.4% Spain: 13.1% Greece: 11.6% Italy: 7.8% Cypus: 7.7% [...] Malta: 3.2% Germany: 2.9% Poland: 2.9% Czechia: 2.3% That'll be some gymnastics.
- piva00 4y ago
  If you are unemployed in most EU countries you are not at risk of dying because you can't afford healthcare, food and shelter. Less desperation for the unemployed is better for society. Employment security also helps mental health, you don't need to live in pure anxiety and fear that someone else might take your job next week.
- hash872 4y ago
  Eh, to be fair to his argument, 'unemployment' is just a survey measuring who is actively looking for new employment but can't find it. Most developed countries have a higher rate of prime-age (25-60) employment than the US. I like that metric better, you're just looking nationally at what % of adults are employed overall
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  Those are the official numbers after the US changed the way it counts unemployment so as to appear better. If you go back to the way unemployment was counted before President G. W. Bush, you end up with higher rates. The current U-6 unemployment rate in the U.S. is 6.6%. That adds back in discouraged workers, workers on long-term unemployment, and workers on part-time employment because of the economy.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    European governments commit massive fraud with how they count their unemployment numbers as well, so comparisons are difficult.
- ggeorgovassilis 4y ago
  USA unemployment is 7,4% [1]. Spain, Greece, Italy's unemployment is highly seasonal - in summer it drops to almost 0%, meaning the majority of the population has some (untaxed) income to keep them afloat through the entire year. [1] https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_u_6_unemployment_rate_unadjusted https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_u_6_unemployment_rate_unad...
  - luckylion 4y ago
    > USA unemployment is 7,4% The not commonly used U-6 is, yeah, but even your link mentions that U-3 is commonly used, and why would you compare different unemployment rates between countries? Here [1] is Destatis from December 2022 with data for all EU countries and the US for comparison. > Spain, Greece, Italy's unemployment is highly seasonal - in summer it drops to almost 0% In June 2022, Spain had 12.6% (2021: 15.3%), Greece had 12.3% (15.0%) and Italy 8.1% (9.4%), see [2] from Eurostat. Is this going to turn into a session of frantic googling to find numbers that support your claim that you based upon feelings and prejudices instead of facts? [1] https://www.destatis.de/Europa/EN/Topic/Population-Labour-Social-Issues/Labour-market/EULabourMarketCrisis.html https://www.destatis.de/Europa/EN/Topic/Population-Labour-So... [2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14675433/3-01082022-AP-EN.pdf/6d7f1ff4-eea6-1245-0002-ed017c302c7f https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14675433/3-0...
    - throwawaycopter 4y ago
      It doesn't really matter either way. Unemployed people in most EU countries do have access to healthcare, benefits that keep them from starving, etc. Not a paradise, but not a hellhole.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        Certainly, though that typically depends on where you live, and as a general rule, social security gets better the further north you go, and that's also where unemployment is low, while the situation looks tougher in Spain, Italy or Greece. But that's besides the point, the claim was that employment has something to do with it, not the extent of the welfare state.
slowmovintarget 4y ago
Yes. You have less to lose. Mass shootings happen because people get to the extreme point of disconnection where they just say "burn it all, I'm going out in a blaze..." These aren't people that feel connected to anything (coworkers, family, schoolmates, teams). Even if other things are lacking, employment can bring connection.

Employment does

Unemployment rates: USA: 3.4% Spain: 13.1% Greece: 11.6% Italy: 7.8% Cypus: 7.7% [...] Malta: 3.2% Germany: 2.9% Poland: 2.9% Czechia: 2.3% That'll be some gymnastics.

piva00 4y ago
If you are unemployed in most EU countries you are not at risk of dying because you can't afford healthcare, food and shelter. Less desperation for the unemployed is better for society. Employment security also helps mental health, you don't need to live in pure anxiety and fear that someone else might take your job next week.
hash872 4y ago
Eh, to be fair to his argument, 'unemployment' is just a survey measuring who is actively looking for new employment but can't find it. Most developed countries have a higher rate of prime-age (25-60) employment than the US. I like that metric better, you're just looking nationally at what % of adults are employed overall
slowmovintarget 4y ago
Those are the official numbers after the US changed the way it counts unemployment so as to appear better. If you go back to the way unemployment was counted before President G. W. Bush, you end up with higher rates. The current U-6 unemployment rate in the U.S. is 6.6%. That adds back in discouraged workers, workers on long-term unemployment, and workers on part-time employment because of the economy.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  European governments commit massive fraud with how they count their unemployment numbers as well, so comparisons are difficult.
ggeorgovassilis 4y ago
USA unemployment is 7,4% [1]. Spain, Greece, Italy's unemployment is highly seasonal - in summer it drops to almost 0%, meaning the majority of the population has some (untaxed) income to keep them afloat through the entire year. [1] https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_u_6_unemployment_rate_unadjusted https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_u_6_unemployment_rate_unad...
- luckylion 4y ago
  > USA unemployment is 7,4% The not commonly used U-6 is, yeah, but even your link mentions that U-3 is commonly used, and why would you compare different unemployment rates between countries? Here [1] is Destatis from December 2022 with data for all EU countries and the US for comparison. > Spain, Greece, Italy's unemployment is highly seasonal - in summer it drops to almost 0% In June 2022, Spain had 12.6% (2021: 15.3%), Greece had 12.3% (15.0%) and Italy 8.1% (9.4%), see [2] from Eurostat. Is this going to turn into a session of frantic googling to find numbers that support your claim that you based upon feelings and prejudices instead of facts? [1] https://www.destatis.de/Europa/EN/Topic/Population-Labour-Social-Issues/Labour-market/EULabourMarketCrisis.html https://www.destatis.de/Europa/EN/Topic/Population-Labour-So... [2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14675433/3-01082022-AP-EN.pdf/6d7f1ff4-eea6-1245-0002-ed017c302c7f https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14675433/3-0...
  - throwawaycopter 4y ago
    It doesn't really matter either way. Unemployed people in most EU countries do have access to healthcare, benefits that keep them from starving, etc. Not a paradise, but not a hellhole.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Certainly, though that typically depends on where you live, and as a general rule, social security gets better the further north you go, and that's also where unemployment is low, while the situation looks tougher in Spain, Italy or Greece. But that's besides the point, the claim was that employment has something to do with it, not the extent of the welfare state.

slowmovintarget 4y ago

Yes. You have less to lose. Mass shootings happen because people get to the extreme point of disconnection where they just say "burn it all, I'm going out in a blaze..." These aren't people that feel connected to anything (coworkers, family, schoolmates, teams). Even if other things are lacking, employment can bring connection.