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> With a mountain of examples It would be great if you could provide some, as I am not from the field. Thanks.

by kleiba 4y ago

NDizzle 4y ago
<Norm Macdonald meme> "It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?"
- dylan604 4y ago
  That was one of the lessons that stuck with me from the first time a teacher actually admitted that "history is written by the winners".
thundergolfer 4y ago
Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky is a great start. Messengers of the Right and Dark Money are also great.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  manufacturing consent isn't evidence. Its pop philosophy.
Teever 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film) "Spin is a 1995 documentary film by Brian Springer composed of raw satellite feeds featuring politicians' pre-appearance planning. It covers the presidential election as well as the 1992 Los Angeles riots and the Operation Rescue abortion protests.[1]"
golemotron 4y ago
Russia has been just about the lose the war for close to a year now.
- DFHippie 4y ago
  I don't know where you heard that. The media keeps reporting that Russia is losing the war, or may be losing it,* but that it is likely to drag on for a long time. No one that I have heard from since the first weeks of the war has ever said or implied that it was about to end. * As Russia changes its aims, the definition of "winning" changes. This is a separate way Russia can win: declare victory with whatever territory you have seized and call for peace negotiations.
- oezi 4y ago
  This is hilarious because all reputable media won't even report on most of the progress because they can't independently verify the information given out by the parties at war. Thus we get this big lack of actual news about the war which can't be filled by people on Twitter and Reddit translating from Telegram and random videos.
tobr 4y ago
Whoa now, remember we’re not just talking a mountain of examples, but “literal” mountains of sociological studies. You should try asking for longitude, latitude and elevation!
vishnugupta 4y ago
How most of the mainstream media, in the US at least, nauseatingly wrote about the WMD theory which was the main stated reason for the US to go to 2003 Iraq war. That region is still reeling with consequences of that war and not to speak about trillions of $$ spent, hundreds of thousands of lives lost, and nuclear contamination and so on and on.
- guelo 4y ago
  It was the media's fault but not Bush and Cheney's? I don't remember where I got the information that led me to join the largest antiwar protests in history in 2003 but a lot of us knew Bush was lying because of the media.
  - vishnugupta 4y ago
    I didn't say it was media's fault alone, but their share of responsibility is a large one. How else would the Bush administration have gained the support of the public? By transmitting their falsehoods through popular private media corporations such as CNN. And the media were all too happy to lap up the narrative fed by the administration without bothering to investigate deeper.
    - guelo 4y ago
      Not investigating deeper is different than outright lying for propaganda. "The President Said X" is newsworthy though maybe lazy reporting. If X is a lie it's on the president.
- screwturner68 4y ago
  It's really hard to blame the media for the Iraq war, the Bush II administration wanted to go to war, particularly in Iraq and were happy to beat the drums as loud as necessary to get the public's backing. Who can ever forget Powell lying in front of Congress, but that what was necessary to seal the deal and the media was more than happy to report what they learned.

> With a mountain of examples It would be great if you could provide some, as I am not from the field. Thanks.

by kleiba 4y ago

> With a mountain of examples It would be great if you could provide some, as I am not from the field. Thanks.

<Norm Macdonald meme> "It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?"

dylan604 4y ago
That was one of the lessons that stuck with me from the first time a teacher actually admitted that "history is written by the winners".

thundergolfer 4y ago

Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky is a great start. Messengers of the Right and Dark Money are also great.

HDThoreaun 4y ago
manufacturing consent isn't evidence. Its pop philosophy.

Teever 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film) "Spin is a 1995 documentary film by Brian Springer composed of raw satellite feeds featuring politicians' pre-appearance planning. It covers the presidential election as well as the 1992 Los Angeles riots and the Operation Rescue abortion protests.[1]"

golemotron 4y ago

Russia has been just about the lose the war for close to a year now.

DFHippie 4y ago
I don't know where you heard that. The media keeps reporting that Russia is losing the war, or may be losing it,* but that it is likely to drag on for a long time. No one that I have heard from since the first weeks of the war has ever said or implied that it was about to end. * As Russia changes its aims, the definition of "winning" changes. This is a separate way Russia can win: declare victory with whatever territory you have seized and call for peace negotiations.
oezi 4y ago
This is hilarious because all reputable media won't even report on most of the progress because they can't independently verify the information given out by the parties at war. Thus we get this big lack of actual news about the war which can't be filled by people on Twitter and Reddit translating from Telegram and random videos.

tobr 4y ago

Whoa now, remember we’re not just talking a mountain of examples, but “literal” mountains of sociological studies. You should try asking for longitude, latitude and elevation!

vishnugupta 4y ago

How most of the mainstream media, in the US at least, nauseatingly wrote about the WMD theory which was the main stated reason for the US to go to 2003 Iraq war. That region is still reeling with consequences of that war and not to speak about trillions of $$ spent, hundreds of thousands of lives lost, and nuclear contamination and so on and on.

guelo 4y ago
It was the media's fault but not Bush and Cheney's? I don't remember where I got the information that led me to join the largest antiwar protests in history in 2003 but a lot of us knew Bush was lying because of the media.
- vishnugupta 4y ago
  I didn't say it was media's fault alone, but their share of responsibility is a large one. How else would the Bush administration have gained the support of the public? By transmitting their falsehoods through popular private media corporations such as CNN. And the media were all too happy to lap up the narrative fed by the administration without bothering to investigate deeper.
  - guelo 4y ago
    Not investigating deeper is different than outright lying for propaganda. "The President Said X" is newsworthy though maybe lazy reporting. If X is a lie it's on the president.
screwturner68 4y ago
It's really hard to blame the media for the Iraq war, the Bush II administration wanted to go to war, particularly in Iraq and were happy to beat the drums as loud as necessary to get the public's backing. Who can ever forget Powell lying in front of Congress, but that what was necessary to seal the deal and the media was more than happy to report what they learned.