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The first approximation is: a typical journalist working at a serious news organization has some amount of bias but at the same time tries to be objective. So

The first approximation is: a typical journalist working at a serious news organization has some amount of bias but at the same time tries to be objective. So it is approximately false, they don't deliberately mislead. My threshold for "serious news organization" is that CNN gets there, Fox News doesn't.

didntreadarticl 4y ago
American news organisations are all paid for by advertisers who have a vested interest in the status quo
- RivieraKid 4y ago
  Do you have an example of a particular interest in status quo? Status quo can be both good or bad.
  - didntreadarticl 4y ago
    I would point to the general way that in the USA the balance of rights is tipped away from people and towards corporations, e.g. very little sick pay, very little paid leave, very little parental leave, very few rights for employees, Healthcare provided at the whims of employers and insurance companies. etc
    - goatlover 4y ago
      Is that the fault of advertisers or strong ideological/political current against such things?
      - lib-dev 4y ago
        Advertisers influence the ideological/political current by manipulating the minds of the people. So yes.
      - didntreadarticl 4y ago
        The strong ideological/political current is the status quo that I referred to previously
- dfxm12 4y ago
  It's hard to take this comment at face value when the content on CNN and Fox News is so different. I wouldn't really argue against CNN being interested in maintaining the status quo, but Fox News is reactionary.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Fox news is reactionary against progressivism, leftism, etc... but the status quo in the US is pro military, pro oligarchy, pro gun, pro life, conservative, white and Christian. The "leftist" party in the US, the Democrats, can at best be described as center-right, there is no true left with any real political power. The Democrats are pro-war, pro-capitalism, only nominally anti-gun, pander to the Christians as much as Republicans, and don't even side with labor anymore, as we saw with Biden crushing the railroad workers' strike, which was even supported by supposed progressive firebrand AOC.
  - didntreadarticl 4y ago
    There's more overlap between them than you realise, if you compare what counts as mainstream 'left' and 'right' in the USA vs Europe
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    They are different but they both fit into the very small american https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
notdonspaulding 4y ago
> My threshold for "serious news organization" is that CNN gets there, Fox News doesn't. I don't put those 2 channels in different categories at all. And certainly they don't divide from each other along lines of objectivity. They are both in the News Entertainment industry. Neither cares in the least about objectivity. The only split I see between them is their mutually exclusive audiences. Fox News is actually in a better place because they don't seem to be hiding the fact that they are there for entertainment and audience-building. They both care about their ratings first and foremost, but CNN is still trying to keep some veneer of serious journalism. As a test: I haven't watched it recently, but how has CNN mea culpa'd over the news that the Hunter Biden laptop was real? A "serious news organization" should have had a real period of soul-searching over that. I bet it was barely a blip on their radar.
megaman821 4y ago
I stopped reading CNN due to their terrible headlines, but I just went at the top headline is "Animals are reportedly dying after toxic train wreck. What it means". Well CNN has reporters, why is there hearsay in the title? Could you just look through some records or conduct a quick survey to figure out the truth of those reports.

didntreadarticl 4y ago

American news organisations are all paid for by advertisers who have a vested interest in the status quo

RivieraKid 4y ago
Do you have an example of a particular interest in status quo? Status quo can be both good or bad.
- didntreadarticl 4y ago
  I would point to the general way that in the USA the balance of rights is tipped away from people and towards corporations, e.g. very little sick pay, very little paid leave, very little parental leave, very few rights for employees, Healthcare provided at the whims of employers and insurance companies. etc
  - goatlover 4y ago
    Is that the fault of advertisers or strong ideological/political current against such things?
    - lib-dev 4y ago
      Advertisers influence the ideological/political current by manipulating the minds of the people. So yes.
    - didntreadarticl 4y ago
      The strong ideological/political current is the status quo that I referred to previously
dfxm12 4y ago
It's hard to take this comment at face value when the content on CNN and Fox News is so different. I wouldn't really argue against CNN being interested in maintaining the status quo, but Fox News is reactionary.
- krapp 4y ago
  Fox news is reactionary against progressivism, leftism, etc... but the status quo in the US is pro military, pro oligarchy, pro gun, pro life, conservative, white and Christian. The "leftist" party in the US, the Democrats, can at best be described as center-right, there is no true left with any real political power. The Democrats are pro-war, pro-capitalism, only nominally anti-gun, pander to the Christians as much as Republicans, and don't even side with labor anymore, as we saw with Biden crushing the railroad workers' strike, which was even supported by supposed progressive firebrand AOC.
- didntreadarticl 4y ago
  There's more overlap between them than you realise, if you compare what counts as mainstream 'left' and 'right' in the USA vs Europe
- goodpoint 4y ago
  They are different but they both fit into the very small american https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

notdonspaulding 4y ago

> My threshold for "serious news organization" is that CNN gets there, Fox News doesn't. I don't put those 2 channels in different categories at all. And certainly they don't divide from each other along lines of objectivity. They are both in the News Entertainment industry. Neither cares in the least about objectivity. The only split I see between them is their mutually exclusive audiences. Fox News is actually in a better place because they don't seem to be hiding the fact that they are there for entertainment and audience-building. They both care about their ratings first and foremost, but CNN is still trying to keep some veneer of serious journalism. As a test: I haven't watched it recently, but how has CNN mea culpa'd over the news that the Hunter Biden laptop was real? A "serious news organization" should have had a real period of soul-searching over that. I bet it was barely a blip on their radar.

megaman821 4y ago

I stopped reading CNN due to their terrible headlines, but I just went at the top headline is "Animals are reportedly dying after toxic train wreck. What it means". Well CNN has reporters, why is there hearsay in the title? Could you just look through some records or conduct a quick survey to figure out the truth of those reports.