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One employee quitting means Tesla losing 0.001% of employees. An employee being fired means losing 100% of their income. Clearly there's an asymmetry when neg

One employee quitting means Tesla losing 0.001% of employees. An employee being fired means losing 100% of their income. Clearly there's an asymmetry when negotiating with large companies. Therefore unions are fair.

zx8080 4y ago
With Sweden Unionen no one could have salary rise without Unionen approval. This makes Unionen a single point of failure: when bargaining with company, it's almost always the lowest possible rise (usually lower than inflation) for the yearly salary rise (which should by design compensate the inflation).
- danuker 4y ago
  That means that specific union is up for some disruption.
  - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    The whole point of a union is that it is a monopoly. This means they are incredibly hard to disrupt, and it is near impossible to start new ones. Many of the early ones had to use threat of violence.
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
They're free to work elsewhere and are adults and responsible for their own income. If they're upset with the conditions at Tesla enough to want a union they could just work elsewhere instead.
- sumeno 4y ago
  Yeah! Who do these people think they are demanding bathroom breaks from our precious god king elon musk? How dare they! Don't want to shit yourself during a shift? Just go work somewhere else and we'll find someone else to exploit into pissing themselves.
  - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
    Doesn't say anywhere they can't take them just that some are claiming they're skipping them to keep their performance up don't think we should just taking their word on face value. It's just a statement to try and make their work expectations seem unreasonable when we all know the real goal is to lower expectations and raise pay at the threat of halting production. I'm by no means a Musk fan but its a free country, Tesla shouldn't have to be held hostage to these people, no ones forcing them to work there.
    - sumeno 4y ago
      Yes, it's a free country, people are free to unionize.

zx8080 4y ago

With Sweden Unionen no one could have salary rise without Unionen approval. This makes Unionen a single point of failure: when bargaining with company, it's almost always the lowest possible rise (usually lower than inflation) for the yearly salary rise (which should by design compensate the inflation).

danuker 4y ago
That means that specific union is up for some disruption.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  The whole point of a union is that it is a monopoly. This means they are incredibly hard to disrupt, and it is near impossible to start new ones. Many of the early ones had to use threat of violence.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

They're free to work elsewhere and are adults and responsible for their own income. If they're upset with the conditions at Tesla enough to want a union they could just work elsewhere instead.

sumeno 4y ago
Yeah! Who do these people think they are demanding bathroom breaks from our precious god king elon musk? How dare they! Don't want to shit yourself during a shift? Just go work somewhere else and we'll find someone else to exploit into pissing themselves.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  Doesn't say anywhere they can't take them just that some are claiming they're skipping them to keep their performance up don't think we should just taking their word on face value. It's just a statement to try and make their work expectations seem unreasonable when we all know the real goal is to lower expectations and raise pay at the threat of halting production. I'm by no means a Musk fan but its a free country, Tesla shouldn't have to be held hostage to these people, no ones forcing them to work there.
  - sumeno 4y ago
    Yes, it's a free country, people are free to unionize.