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I speak German and I have just read the text, it is vastly complicated court and lawyer speak. But it is clear that this legislature is pushing for crime preve

I speak German and I have just read the text, it is vastly complicated court and lawyer speak. But it is clear that this legislature is pushing for crime prevention based on aggregated data from computer systems(where from, exactly?) The arguments are that a manual extraction and collection would be too slow and that this should be limited to only a handful of severe potential crimes. As a prevention rather than mitigation technique. This is quite bad. Now the objection is not purely because the data is coming from computers, but because it will reveal data on people tangentially connected to the targets. This is so wrong in so many ways and the people who are pushing from this have learned nothing from the stasi and nazi regimes, or perhaps they are nostalgic. It is very clear that these things are pushed by rather smart minds, matter experts and this makes it clear they do not care about the innocent peoples privacy, as they could not possibly be so ignorant to overlook this matter. Justice even the conventianal way spawns injustices, now the lazy government wants to automate and scale their procedures. W.t.h.

c4mpute 4y ago
> innocent peoples privacy It isn't just about their privacy but also their very freedom. Being in some police database might very well land you in the crosshairs of some investigation and related niceness like searching your home, taking you in for questioning and keeping you there because you didn't say something...
- omgomgomgomg 4y ago
  True, I equate privacy and freedom, give or take. Anyone who ever end up an their radar would probably never be removed from that,and never even know. It is highly offensive that the German government pretends it does not know where the crime is happening. How about they deal with a few of these clans numbering 100s of people? This can be done , has to be done the convential way, as these clans will not be as stupid as leave digital traces, as computer illeterate as they might be. The government has not even defined who they are targeting, they just use the commonly thrown around terms.
  - c4mpute 4y ago
    > It is highly offensive that the German government pretends it does not know where the crime is happening. How about they deal with a few of these clans numbering 100s of people? This can be done , has to be done the convential way, as these clans will not be as stupid as leave digital traces, as computer illeterate as they might be. > > The government has not even defined who they are targeting, they just use the commonly thrown around terms. The government is just after the really easy convictions on the cheap. Traditional investigation is complex and expensive, needs personnel, etc. Sifting through vast databases for easy wins is far cheaper. Catching big fish also isn't opportune, because that would mean politicians being responsible for incarcerating their buddies, like in Cum-Ex. In related news, the most common reason to be incarcerated in Germany: Using public transport without a ticket... Most convictions for the least amount of effort.
    - yeshap 4y ago
      > The government is just after the really easy convictions on the cheap. Feels like a reasonable description of modern society run by zeitgeist of MBAs. “I want to extract the most value for the least amount of effort on my part.”
    - omgomgomgomg 4y ago
      Wow,I do believe that with the tickets but it is "unbelievable" as in "unfassbar".
    - lakomen 4y ago
      I ran a free forum service once, long time ago. Some teens created a forum where they posted Heil Hitler and whatnot. I couldn't oversee over 2000 forums. One day I got a phone call, the Kriminalpolizei. Long story short, I had to write a script that extracts IP addresses and time of posts. That took me 4 hours which they didn't pay me.
      - c4mpute 4y ago
        Well, that's why you shouldn't ever have any data that they could want or ask for. Never save IP addresses.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> It is very clear that these things are pushed by rather smart minds, matter experts and this makes it clear they do not care about the innocent peoples privacy I was working that this behaviour by FAANG will normalise it, and will lead to our governments doing the same. Same 'smart people' work for government and fang, they are gonna behave the same way.
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c4mpute 4y ago

> innocent peoples privacy It isn't just about their privacy but also their very freedom. Being in some police database might very well land you in the crosshairs of some investigation and related niceness like searching your home, taking you in for questioning and keeping you there because you didn't say something...

omgomgomgomg 4y ago
True, I equate privacy and freedom, give or take. Anyone who ever end up an their radar would probably never be removed from that,and never even know. It is highly offensive that the German government pretends it does not know where the crime is happening. How about they deal with a few of these clans numbering 100s of people? This can be done , has to be done the convential way, as these clans will not be as stupid as leave digital traces, as computer illeterate as they might be. The government has not even defined who they are targeting, they just use the commonly thrown around terms.
- c4mpute 4y ago
  > It is highly offensive that the German government pretends it does not know where the crime is happening. How about they deal with a few of these clans numbering 100s of people? This can be done , has to be done the convential way, as these clans will not be as stupid as leave digital traces, as computer illeterate as they might be. > > The government has not even defined who they are targeting, they just use the commonly thrown around terms. The government is just after the really easy convictions on the cheap. Traditional investigation is complex and expensive, needs personnel, etc. Sifting through vast databases for easy wins is far cheaper. Catching big fish also isn't opportune, because that would mean politicians being responsible for incarcerating their buddies, like in Cum-Ex. In related news, the most common reason to be incarcerated in Germany: Using public transport without a ticket... Most convictions for the least amount of effort.
  - yeshap 4y ago
    > The government is just after the really easy convictions on the cheap. Feels like a reasonable description of modern society run by zeitgeist of MBAs. “I want to extract the most value for the least amount of effort on my part.”
  - omgomgomgomg 4y ago
    Wow,I do believe that with the tickets but it is "unbelievable" as in "unfassbar".
  - lakomen 4y ago
    I ran a free forum service once, long time ago. Some teens created a forum where they posted Heil Hitler and whatnot. I couldn't oversee over 2000 forums. One day I got a phone call, the Kriminalpolizei. Long story short, I had to write a script that extracts IP addresses and time of posts. That took me 4 hours which they didn't pay me.
    - c4mpute 4y ago
      Well, that's why you shouldn't ever have any data that they could want or ask for. Never save IP addresses.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> It is very clear that these things are pushed by rather smart minds, matter experts and this makes it clear they do not care about the innocent peoples privacy I was working that this behaviour by FAANG will normalise it, and will lead to our governments doing the same. Same 'smart people' work for government and fang, they are gonna behave the same way.

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