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> I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. You made numerous baseless claims without eviden

by strcat 4y ago

> I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. You made numerous baseless claims without evidence in your posts. > You can keep calling me a sockpuppet but that doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and isn't true. Also, my motivation is not to "harm GrapheneOS" but to provide constructive criticism and inform the public of a decision made by the project that I disagree with and believe is harmful to the FOSS community. You made a fresh account dedicated to the purpose of spreading spin and misinformation about GrapheneOS. There is another freshly created account in this thread doing the same thing, and that's suspected of being someone who has previously engaged in vicious bullying/harassment including claiming that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar in response to detailed explanations in the thread they linked, which is why their messages there were removed. One of the messages doing that can be temporarily approved to prove it exists, but many people have seen this happening elsewhere already. > The harm I caused by raising a genuine criticism about the project on HN which gained a total of 7 upvotes? This is not the only similar post made to attack the project from freshly created throwaway accounts in the past few days. Many of those use a similar approach and writing style. There are a few people hostile towards GrapheneOS who put massive amounts of time into trying to harm it by posting for hours every day across platforms. If you're not one of those people, you should have posted from an established account where it wouldn't come across as yet another fresh account from a small group of people. > Also, not sure what "repairing the harm I've caused" entails. Does that mean deleting the post? Because I won't be doing that, and I don't think I'm even able to anyway. A starting point is making a list of the posts you've made with throwaway accounts across platforms recently, showing us which ones were you and correcting the inaccurate claims you're making in them. > Luckily this website isn't owned by you, so you can't just go deleting my posts like you do whenever someone posts any form of criticism on any forums/chatrooms owned by you. People can look at our chat rooms and forums to see that this is clearly not true. Our rooms are frequently targeted by people like yourself spreading spin/misinformation and engaging in bullying/harassment. Their posts are usually automatically removed from the main scrollback automatically when they get banned, which is the default in the ban bot for some ban reasons or done manually in other cases. The posts from other people engaging with them no longer make sense without them and are usually removed too. There are archives of the chat without any messages removed. Removal keeps the Matrix chat useful and easy to read. No one wants to scroll through thousands of lines of people interacting with trolls to find 2-3 lines from people asking for help with something. People needing help or discussing things constructively are often drowned out by trolls derailing the chats.

throwaway_graph 4y ago
> You made numerous baseless claims without evidence in your posts. Please list them. > If you're not one of those people, you should have posted from an established account where it wouldn't come across as yet another fresh account from a small group of people. As I've stated before the reason I'm posting under a fresh account is to protect my identity so I don't face the wrath of you and your community. You've threatened to unleash this upon people in the past [0], despite constantly claiming that you're the one being harassed and attacked. > A starting point is making a list of the posts you've made with throwaway accounts across platforms recently, showing us which ones were you and correcting the inaccurate claims you're making in them. Yet another sockpuppet accusation. I hope anyone reading this is able to filter through strcat's baseless accusations and focus on the actual arguments being presented on both sides. I'm not sure why posting the same arguments under an established account should have any significance on the validity of the arguments. You have failed to provide any evidence of anti-GrapheneOS sockpuppet accounts so far, but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS [1]. > People can look at our chat rooms and forums to see that this is clearly not true. I actually encourage people to do this, because it very much is true. [0] https://github.com/bromite/bromite/pull/2102#issuecomment-1155814811 https://github.com/bromite/bromite/pull/2102#issuecomment-11... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210913221117/https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/community-drama-and-mobile-os/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210913221117/https://sethforpr... Screenshot of the GrapheneOS Matrix room from the article: https://web.archive.org/web/20210914180603im_/https://sethforprivacy.com/community-drama-and-mobile-os/graphene_brigading.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20210914180603im_/https://sethfo... Note that "anupritaisno1" has changed their online identity a few times and is currently going by the name "randomhydrosol". It looks like they aren't listed under the GrapheneOS GitHub organization anymore, but they are e.g. one of the administrators of the privsec.dev website that strcat linked earlier: https://privsec.dev/about https://privsec.dev/about
- strcat 4y ago
  > You've threatened to unleash this upon people in the past [0], despite constantly claiming that you're the one being harassed and attacked. Dishonest claim. > You have failed to provide any evidence of anti-GrapheneOS sockpuppet accounts so far, but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS There's rampant usage of sockpuppet accounts across platforms to harm GrapheneOS with misinformation. Your account here is one of them, and there was another. You've almost certainly made accounts elsewhere since your writing style and dishonest talking points match those from elsewhere. The level of sockpuppet account usage to harm GrapheneOS on Reddit are extreme and have been noticed by the moderators of multiple subreddits including ones with moderators who are not friendly to us but who are still dealing with this to an extent. Pretending this is not going on is silly, and the ridiculous baseless claim that we are doing it is typical behavior. That is what you are doing: making one baseless claim after another and projecting what you're doing as part of your malicious misinformation campaign onto us. > but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS This is a complete fabrication, along with your other fabrications. That is what you do. > Screenshot of the GrapheneOS Matrix room from the article This is similarly not accurate information, and the source of this is a malicious Copperhead employee who gave it to Techlore as part of his misinformation campaign against GrapheneOS, which was then referred to my Seth, a friend of Techlore also involved in it. As I said, a small group of malicious people has spread lots of misinformation. Sockpuppets repeat their inaccurate claims across platforms in numerous threads on a daily basis. It's a never ending assault on the project with dishonest claims and has caused substantial harm.

by strcat 4y ago

throwaway_graph 4y ago

> You made numerous baseless claims without evidence in your posts. Please list them. > If you're not one of those people, you should have posted from an established account where it wouldn't come across as yet another fresh account from a small group of people. As I've stated before the reason I'm posting under a fresh account is to protect my identity so I don't face the wrath of you and your community. You've threatened to unleash this upon people in the past [0], despite constantly claiming that you're the one being harassed and attacked. > A starting point is making a list of the posts you've made with throwaway accounts across platforms recently, showing us which ones were you and correcting the inaccurate claims you're making in them. Yet another sockpuppet accusation. I hope anyone reading this is able to filter through strcat's baseless accusations and focus on the actual arguments being presented on both sides. I'm not sure why posting the same arguments under an established account should have any significance on the validity of the arguments. You have failed to provide any evidence of anti-GrapheneOS sockpuppet accounts so far, but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS [1]. > People can look at our chat rooms and forums to see that this is clearly not true. I actually encourage people to do this, because it very much is true. [0] https://github.com/bromite/bromite/pull/2102#issuecomment-1155814811 https://github.com/bromite/bromite/pull/2102#issuecomment-11... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210913221117/https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/community-drama-and-mobile-os/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210913221117/https://sethforpr... Screenshot of the GrapheneOS Matrix room from the article: https://web.archive.org/web/20210914180603im_/https://sethforprivacy.com/community-drama-and-mobile-os/graphene_brigading.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20210914180603im_/https://sethfo... Note that "anupritaisno1" has changed their online identity a few times and is currently going by the name "randomhydrosol". It looks like they aren't listed under the GrapheneOS GitHub organization anymore, but they are e.g. one of the administrators of the privsec.dev website that strcat linked earlier: https://privsec.dev/about https://privsec.dev/about

strcat 4y ago
> You've threatened to unleash this upon people in the past [0], despite constantly claiming that you're the one being harassed and attacked. Dishonest claim. > You have failed to provide any evidence of anti-GrapheneOS sockpuppet accounts so far, but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS There's rampant usage of sockpuppet accounts across platforms to harm GrapheneOS with misinformation. Your account here is one of them, and there was another. You've almost certainly made accounts elsewhere since your writing style and dishonest talking points match those from elsewhere. The level of sockpuppet account usage to harm GrapheneOS on Reddit are extreme and have been noticed by the moderators of multiple subreddits including ones with moderators who are not friendly to us but who are still dealing with this to an extent. Pretending this is not going on is silly, and the ridiculous baseless claim that we are doing it is typical behavior. That is what you are doing: making one baseless claim after another and projecting what you're doing as part of your malicious misinformation campaign onto us. > but there actually has been clear evidence of a GrapheneOS lead developer encouraging the community to actively create sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, Reddit, and HN in order to promote GrapheneOS This is a complete fabrication, along with your other fabrications. That is what you do. > Screenshot of the GrapheneOS Matrix room from the article This is similarly not accurate information, and the source of this is a malicious Copperhead employee who gave it to Techlore as part of his misinformation campaign against GrapheneOS, which was then referred to my Seth, a friend of Techlore also involved in it. As I said, a small group of malicious people has spread lots of misinformation. Sockpuppets repeat their inaccurate claims across platforms in numerous threads on a daily basis. It's a never ending assault on the project with dishonest claims and has caused substantial harm.