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Maybe the facts that they state are true, but the way they are presented is just insane. The main issue I have with this is that they present it like "evil Rus

Maybe the facts that they state are true, but the way they are presented is just insane. The main issue I have with this is that they present it like "evil Russians are kidnapping children", implying that they are better off dying in a warzone instead of getting actual education and a chance at life. This is very one-sided and politically engaged.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> The main issue I have with this is that they present it like "evil Russians are kidnapping children", implying that they are better off dying in a warzone instead of getting actual education and a chance at life. This is very one-sided and politically engaged. Maybe they are better off fleeing to Europe or safer cities in Ukraine and not being captured, forcibly deported, forcibly adopted to Russian families and 're-educated'.
- akamaine 4y ago
  > fleeing to Europe Yeah, through the fricking frontline, through the same guys that shelled their cities for 9 years. Solid plan. > captured, forcibly deported, forcibly adopted Why forcibly? There is literally no evidence that any kind of force was ever used. I bet most of them are more than happy to leave the hellscape they lived in for so long because of Ukrainian government.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > Yeah, through the fricking frontline, through the same guys that shelled their cities for 9 years. Solid plan. Ah yes much better they get taken by the army thats soldiers rape and torture civilians, including children in Ukraine. > Why forcibly? There is literally no evidence that any kind of force was ever used. I bet most of them are more than happy to leave the hellscape they lived in for so long because of Ukrainian government. Russia invaded, no one forced them too, this is all the fault of Russia and no one else.
    - akamaine 4y ago
      > soldiers rape and torture civilians, including children in Ukraine Literally 0 evidence of this. > Russia invaded, no one forced them too, this is all the fault of Russia and no one else. Well, Ukraine started killing east Ukrainians, no one forced them to.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Well, Ukraine started killing east Ukrainians, no one forced them to Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. > Literally 0 evidence of this. The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture. Not to mention the torture videos we have, but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too.
        akamaine 4y ago
        > Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. Yet again, no evidence. You have to get your facts straight, good sir. And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin > The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture. why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. > Not to mention the torture videos we have, Yeah, surely there is NO VIDEOS OF UKRAINIAN SOILDERS TORTURING THEIR CAPTIVES BE IT RUSSIAN SODIERS OR THEIR OWN SUPPOSED TRAITORS. > but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too. only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> The main issue I have with this is that they present it like "evil Russians are kidnapping children", implying that they are better off dying in a warzone instead of getting actual education and a chance at life. This is very one-sided and politically engaged. Maybe they are better off fleeing to Europe or safer cities in Ukraine and not being captured, forcibly deported, forcibly adopted to Russian families and 're-educated'.

akamaine 4y ago
> fleeing to Europe Yeah, through the fricking frontline, through the same guys that shelled their cities for 9 years. Solid plan. > captured, forcibly deported, forcibly adopted Why forcibly? There is literally no evidence that any kind of force was ever used. I bet most of them are more than happy to leave the hellscape they lived in for so long because of Ukrainian government.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > Yeah, through the fricking frontline, through the same guys that shelled their cities for 9 years. Solid plan. Ah yes much better they get taken by the army thats soldiers rape and torture civilians, including children in Ukraine. > Why forcibly? There is literally no evidence that any kind of force was ever used. I bet most of them are more than happy to leave the hellscape they lived in for so long because of Ukrainian government. Russia invaded, no one forced them too, this is all the fault of Russia and no one else.
  - akamaine 4y ago
    > soldiers rape and torture civilians, including children in Ukraine Literally 0 evidence of this. > Russia invaded, no one forced them too, this is all the fault of Russia and no one else. Well, Ukraine started killing east Ukrainians, no one forced them to.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > Well, Ukraine started killing east Ukrainians, no one forced them to Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. > Literally 0 evidence of this. The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture. Not to mention the torture videos we have, but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too.
      - akamaine 4y ago
        > Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. Yet again, no evidence. You have to get your facts straight, good sir. And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin > The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture. why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. > Not to mention the torture videos we have, Yeah, surely there is NO VIDEOS OF UKRAINIAN SOILDERS TORTURING THEIR CAPTIVES BE IT RUSSIAN SODIERS OR THEIR OWN SUPPOSED TRAITORS. > but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too. only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least.