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>It recommended a “rustic and charming” bar in Mexico City without noting that it’s also one of the oldest gay bars in Mexico City I mean this point is pretty

>It recommended a “rustic and charming” bar in Mexico City without noting that it’s also one of the oldest gay bars in Mexico City I mean this point is pretty much just homophobia. Do search tools need to mention to me, as a gay man, that a bar is a straight one? No. It's just a fucking bar. The fact that the author saw fit to mention this is saddening, unless the prompt was "recommend me a bar in Mexico that isn't one that's filled with them gays".

Majestic121 4y ago
It's not "just a fucking bar", being a gay bar is a defining characteristic that people actively look for to meet gay people or to avoid it if they are conservative. Of course another group of people is the one that simply don't care, but let's not pretend the others don't exist/are not valid. I would not expect it to be kept out of recommendations, but it should be noted in the description, in the same way that one would describe a restaurant as Iranian for example.
- fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Then surely his feedback would also have applied to any other bar as well, right? If we're treating both sides of the debate of whether people like me are allowed to exist or not as valid then surely I should get a heads-up that a bar is a straight one, or that it's straight & filled with conservative a-holes? >Avoid it if they are conservative >This is valid Imo, this is not valid. And is part of the reason that homophobic people still exist in large numbers; exposure to gay people did the most for gay rights. We were no longer "them people". We were neighbours, their parents, their children. Exposure to minorities does the most help with destroying x-isms and phobias. Not saying ppl have to go to gay bars, it's not about that. It's about the attitude.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
As a bi man, I would definitely like to know. It just depends why I'm going out in the first place. There are times when I'm not in the mood for being hit on(by dudes/women/anyone). Now all gay bars are not like this, but in some of them just showing up can be an invitation for flirting in my experience. So yeah, some nights I might want to avoid places like that. I'm not sure how that's homophobic. It seems unreasonable to assume someone is a homophobe because they might not want to go to a gay pub. I'm an atheist. I have nothing against Christians, most of them are great people I've found. But I would feel weird going to a church service. I'm not a part of that culture. I could see a straight person feeling the same way about gay/lesbian bars.
- fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Why aren't bars marked as being explicitly heterosexual then? For all the same reasons. It's not the marking of it being homophobic, it's more that it was explicitly mentioned; a heterosexual person is more likely to be offended by a gay club than a gay person being offended by a heterosexual one and that's the truth of the matter, imo. And unfortunately, for many if not most women, the idea of "not feeling like being hit on" doesn't really seem to apply to any heterosexual bar/club either.

Majestic121 4y ago

It's not "just a fucking bar", being a gay bar is a defining characteristic that people actively look for to meet gay people or to avoid it if they are conservative. Of course another group of people is the one that simply don't care, but let's not pretend the others don't exist/are not valid. I would not expect it to be kept out of recommendations, but it should be noted in the description, in the same way that one would describe a restaurant as Iranian for example.

fennecfoxy 4y ago
Then surely his feedback would also have applied to any other bar as well, right? If we're treating both sides of the debate of whether people like me are allowed to exist or not as valid then surely I should get a heads-up that a bar is a straight one, or that it's straight & filled with conservative a-holes? >Avoid it if they are conservative >This is valid Imo, this is not valid. And is part of the reason that homophobic people still exist in large numbers; exposure to gay people did the most for gay rights. We were no longer "them people". We were neighbours, their parents, their children. Exposure to minorities does the most help with destroying x-isms and phobias. Not saying ppl have to go to gay bars, it's not about that. It's about the attitude.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

As a bi man, I would definitely like to know. It just depends why I'm going out in the first place. There are times when I'm not in the mood for being hit on(by dudes/women/anyone). Now all gay bars are not like this, but in some of them just showing up can be an invitation for flirting in my experience. So yeah, some nights I might want to avoid places like that. I'm not sure how that's homophobic. It seems unreasonable to assume someone is a homophobe because they might not want to go to a gay pub. I'm an atheist. I have nothing against Christians, most of them are great people I've found. But I would feel weird going to a church service. I'm not a part of that culture. I could see a straight person feeling the same way about gay/lesbian bars.

fennecfoxy 4y ago
Why aren't bars marked as being explicitly heterosexual then? For all the same reasons. It's not the marking of it being homophobic, it's more that it was explicitly mentioned; a heterosexual person is more likely to be offended by a gay club than a gay person being offended by a heterosexual one and that's the truth of the matter, imo. And unfortunately, for many if not most women, the idea of "not feeling like being hit on" doesn't really seem to apply to any heterosexual bar/club either.