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>Now I'm creating a VM om MacOS inside the MacOS and will attempt to extract the browser part. I don't want microsoft all around my system. The funny part is t

>Now I'm creating a VM om MacOS inside the MacOS and will attempt to extract the browser part. I don't want microsoft all around my system. The funny part is that apple's telemetry is just as bad as Microsoft's, the modern macOS sends a hash of each and every program you run and if their servers are affected, it has a good chance to pull your apps down with it as long as you are connected to the net. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Not a fan of either system.

mrtksn 4y ago
I don't actually care about telemetry, I'm fine with them knowing how I use the apps. That's how better products are made. The problem is that MS puts me in the loop. Just update without telling me, if you fail I don't want to know and if I explicitly remove you from the log in items don't try to re-add yourself. I don't want to have sidekick apps to be able to run one app. Microsoft definitely does some things right but I suspect that the incompetent and evil part of the company is still alive and kicking.
astrange 4y ago
It does not do that.
- justinclift 4y ago
  Wasn't it clearly shown a while back that macOS Gatekeeper does indeed do something along those lines? Doing some searching online is turning up info about it: * https://www.extremetech.com/computing/317371-evaluating-apples-data-collection-in-macos-big-sur https://www.extremetech.com/computing/317371-evaluating-appl... * https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeeper-issue-with-upcoming-fixes/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeep... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25204909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25204909 * https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec...
  - astrange 4y ago
    No, it was not clearly shown, because it doesn't do that. The articles saying it does that are wrong. (It sends a team identifier which is not unique per application, and would mostly be the same one since almost everyone mostly uses first party apps. It does this because that's how certificate validation works.)

mrtksn 4y ago

I don't actually care about telemetry, I'm fine with them knowing how I use the apps. That's how better products are made. The problem is that MS puts me in the loop. Just update without telling me, if you fail I don't want to know and if I explicitly remove you from the log in items don't try to re-add yourself. I don't want to have sidekick apps to be able to run one app. Microsoft definitely does some things right but I suspect that the incompetent and evil part of the company is still alive and kicking.

astrange 4y ago

It does not do that.

justinclift 4y ago
Wasn't it clearly shown a while back that macOS Gatekeeper does indeed do something along those lines? Doing some searching online is turning up info about it: * https://www.extremetech.com/computing/317371-evaluating-apples-data-collection-in-macos-big-sur https://www.extremetech.com/computing/317371-evaluating-appl... * https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeeper-issue-with-upcoming-fixes/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeep... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25204909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25204909 * https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec...
- astrange 4y ago
  No, it was not clearly shown, because it doesn't do that. The articles saying it does that are wrong. (It sends a team identifier which is not unique per application, and would mostly be the same one since almost everyone mostly uses first party apps. It does this because that's how certificate validation works.)