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NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublishing.usn

by NLPaep 4y ago

NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublishing.usnews https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...

lenkite 4y ago
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- flangola7 4y ago
  What do you mean?
  - lenkite 4y ago
    I mean the assertion that this was a Russian-op instead of a US-op and that the journalist is spreading misinformation. (They said the same thing about Hersh earlier too btw and were proved wrong - twice). The denials will be ameliorated after several years when no one cares about it.
    - flangola7 4y ago
      What? Even with a conspiratorial mindset there's no reason to believe NATO blew up their own pipeline. There's "Iraq was justified" errors and then there's "9/11 was an inside job" errors and you're getting them confused.
      - lenkite 4y ago
        It wasn't NATO's pipeline. This is the same journalist who exposed the My Lai Massacre and its denial and coverup btw. And the President Joe Biden also exactly said this: “If Russia invades, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”
Aunche 4y ago
> NYT fired editors and journalists over that This isn't quite what the article says. It mentions Howell Raines, but he seemed to have been ousted due to staff discontent as well as a plagiarism scandal [1]. The article also mentions Judith Miller, and her case was interesting to say the least. The NYT assigned her to work closely with American intelligence, so of course she's going to report what they have to say, so she was somewhat of a scapegoat. Then, in 2005, she gets arrested at the behest of the CIA for refusing to disclose the leaker in the Plame scandal. Only then, over a year after the NYT apologized about being wrong in Iraq, did they pressure her to resign. [1] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-06-na-nyt6-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-06-na-nyt6-...
- deleted 4y ago
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gadders 4y ago
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- pjc50 4y ago
  There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.
  - gadders 4y ago
    So still no evidence of Trump collusion then? Got it. What's your view of Hunter Biden being paid by Burisma?
    - pjc50 4y ago
      Does it matter? If Manafort's corruption doesn't reflect on Trump, does Hunter's corruption reflect on Joe?
      - gadders 4y ago
        Exactly. It goes both ways.
    - Paradigma11 4y ago
      You cant choose your family. You can choose your campaign manager.

by NLPaep 4y ago

lenkite 4y ago

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flangola7 4y ago
What do you mean?
- lenkite 4y ago
  I mean the assertion that this was a Russian-op instead of a US-op and that the journalist is spreading misinformation. (They said the same thing about Hersh earlier too btw and were proved wrong - twice). The denials will be ameliorated after several years when no one cares about it.
  - flangola7 4y ago
    What? Even with a conspiratorial mindset there's no reason to believe NATO blew up their own pipeline. There's "Iraq was justified" errors and then there's "9/11 was an inside job" errors and you're getting them confused.
    - lenkite 4y ago
      It wasn't NATO's pipeline. This is the same journalist who exposed the My Lai Massacre and its denial and coverup btw. And the President Joe Biden also exactly said this: “If Russia invades, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”

Aunche 4y ago

> NYT fired editors and journalists over that This isn't quite what the article says. It mentions Howell Raines, but he seemed to have been ousted due to staff discontent as well as a plagiarism scandal [1]. The article also mentions Judith Miller, and her case was interesting to say the least. The NYT assigned her to work closely with American intelligence, so of course she's going to report what they have to say, so she was somewhat of a scapegoat. Then, in 2005, she gets arrested at the behest of the CIA for refusing to disclose the leaker in the Plame scandal. Only then, over a year after the NYT apologized about being wrong in Iraq, did they pressure her to resign. [1] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-06-na-nyt6-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-06-na-nyt6-...

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gadders 4y ago

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pjc50 4y ago
There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.
- gadders 4y ago
  So still no evidence of Trump collusion then? Got it. What's your view of Hunter Biden being paid by Burisma?
  - pjc50 4y ago
    Does it matter? If Manafort's corruption doesn't reflect on Trump, does Hunter's corruption reflect on Joe?
    - gadders 4y ago
      Exactly. It goes both ways.
  - Paradigma11 4y ago
    You cant choose your family. You can choose your campaign manager.