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Not to blame her, but it sounds like she probably overexplained. Dolores French used to list herself as an entertainer on her US tax forms. She was a sex worke

Not to blame her, but it sounds like she probably overexplained. Dolores French used to list herself as an entertainer on her US tax forms. She was a sex worker and advocate for the rights of sex workers. Sometimes, less is more when dealing with a big bureaucracy. Don't lie, obviously, but I mean if a surgeon described his work as "cutting people open for a living" they might look askance at that too.

luckylion 4y ago
My cousin is a surgeon, and I'm pretty sure that he'd do that, and would barely be able to contain himself with delight if they asked him about it and he'd explain how he does it exactly and make it sound lie he's a serial killer extracting information for a cartel.
- soco 4y ago
  And then denied entry. If that's funny for them, forced forced to go back, fine, but not everybody has the same level of financial independence to afford that.
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- mdp2021 4y ago
  The issue is in the psychological problem of projection: when you deal with people, it is an easy trap to believe that they share your traits. Among which, amount of intelligence ("how deep will you examine") and purposes ("why are you doing that"). Very bad trap: the other part easily will not understand nor care. Boars and bears will not play chess - and attempts are substantially soliloquy for your own whim. If you want to take your risks, for the sake of "fun", good; if you do it because unwise, then you will soon learn by force.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Certainly. I don't think he'd do it if he thought he was in actual trouble, like being interviewed by guys with machine guns in Mexico. But arriving back in the US? I can totally see him do that. Worst case he pulls out his passport, some poor officer sighs and wishes they didn't have to deal with idiots wasting their time and he moves on. I have a different cousin who is a general physician, I can't imagine her pulling that. Not just because these kinds of pranks are much more common with men, but also because, from my experience, surgeons have a very specific type of humor and enjoy that kind of thing.
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      > Worst case Worst case, the "funny man" will be surprised by the discretionary power of an officer that holds a "better be safe than sorry" stance.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        What are they going to do, deny entry to a citizen? The absolute worst case is they make him sit around for a few hours and run the whole shebang including a cavity search to teach him a lesson, they're not shipping him off to Gitmo because he wasted their time. Most likely they don't want to waste even more time, they're professionals after all, and deal with that type of person all the time. Or maybe it's the dumb joke that makes the officer snap and he pulls out his gun and starts shooting everyone. But I doubt it.
        skissane 4y ago
        They could try charging him with a felony, for example 18 U.S.C. 1001 (lying to federal agents) - they might claim he was intentionally trying to deceive them into thinking he was some nefarious character when he actually wasn’t, thereby wasting their investigative resources meaning they couldn’t spend that time chasing the real “bad guys”. Maybe the prosecution won’t succeed, but they could always use it to make his life hell for a few months then move to dismiss. As a surgeon, he might not be allowed to practice his job while felony charges are pending.
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  Yeah, because the eventual explaination carries so much cultural respect and cache that they have that luxury.
- NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
  I underwent surgery for hernia repair in January 2020, and while they wheeled me into the operating theatre, I sang "Like a Surgeon" for everyone and explained "Weird Al" to them, because they all swore up and down that they'd never heard of him.
kobalsky 4y ago
on visa interviews they will drill down to get specific details, they want to know if you are lying. this doesn't only happen on visa applications but may happen during visits too depending on the officer of course. they will pounce any broad or ambiguous answer.

luckylion 4y ago

My cousin is a surgeon, and I'm pretty sure that he'd do that, and would barely be able to contain himself with delight if they asked him about it and he'd explain how he does it exactly and make it sound lie he's a serial killer extracting information for a cartel.

soco 4y ago
And then denied entry. If that's funny for them, forced forced to go back, fine, but not everybody has the same level of financial independence to afford that.
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mdp2021 4y ago
The issue is in the psychological problem of projection: when you deal with people, it is an easy trap to believe that they share your traits. Among which, amount of intelligence ("how deep will you examine") and purposes ("why are you doing that"). Very bad trap: the other part easily will not understand nor care. Boars and bears will not play chess - and attempts are substantially soliloquy for your own whim. If you want to take your risks, for the sake of "fun", good; if you do it because unwise, then you will soon learn by force.
- luckylion 4y ago
  Certainly. I don't think he'd do it if he thought he was in actual trouble, like being interviewed by guys with machine guns in Mexico. But arriving back in the US? I can totally see him do that. Worst case he pulls out his passport, some poor officer sighs and wishes they didn't have to deal with idiots wasting their time and he moves on. I have a different cousin who is a general physician, I can't imagine her pulling that. Not just because these kinds of pranks are much more common with men, but also because, from my experience, surgeons have a very specific type of humor and enjoy that kind of thing.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > Worst case Worst case, the "funny man" will be surprised by the discretionary power of an officer that holds a "better be safe than sorry" stance.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      What are they going to do, deny entry to a citizen? The absolute worst case is they make him sit around for a few hours and run the whole shebang including a cavity search to teach him a lesson, they're not shipping him off to Gitmo because he wasted their time. Most likely they don't want to waste even more time, they're professionals after all, and deal with that type of person all the time. Or maybe it's the dumb joke that makes the officer snap and he pulls out his gun and starts shooting everyone. But I doubt it.
      - skissane 4y ago
        They could try charging him with a felony, for example 18 U.S.C. 1001 (lying to federal agents) - they might claim he was intentionally trying to deceive them into thinking he was some nefarious character when he actually wasn’t, thereby wasting their investigative resources meaning they couldn’t spend that time chasing the real “bad guys”. Maybe the prosecution won’t succeed, but they could always use it to make his life hell for a few months then move to dismiss. As a surgeon, he might not be allowed to practice his job while felony charges are pending.
Brian_K_White 4y ago
Yeah, because the eventual explaination carries so much cultural respect and cache that they have that luxury.
NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
I underwent surgery for hernia repair in January 2020, and while they wheeled me into the operating theatre, I sang "Like a Surgeon" for everyone and explained "Weird Al" to them, because they all swore up and down that they'd never heard of him.

kobalsky 4y ago

on visa interviews they will drill down to get specific details, they want to know if you are lying. this doesn't only happen on visa applications but may happen during visits too depending on the officer of course. they will pounce any broad or ambiguous answer.