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Certain applications that professionals need are only available on Windows. Most games are as well. Even for software with Mac/*nix versions, a person may have

by jarrett 15y ago

Certain applications that professionals need are only available on Windows. Most games are as well. Even for software with Mac/*nix versions, a person may have quite a bit of money tied up in Windows-only licenses. I'm not commenting on whether pirating Windows is ethical. I'm just pointing out that sometimes you'll have to ditch a lot of software to ditch Windows.

Groxx 15y ago
You're just reinforcing their argument. By not using the competition, you're ensuring the market for those products on the competition's OS doesn't exist. It's actively strengthening Microsoft's hold on the markets you frequent.
- jcnnghm 15y ago
  OK. The primary application that I need Windows for is Quickbooks Enterprise. I also still use my Windows Photoshop license since it was expensive, and not transferrable to OS X. My primary operating system is already OS X, and I only use Debian Stable on servers. I run Windows in a VM when I need those application, and only when I need those applications. How would you suggest replacing Quickbooks Enterprise? Do I just stop keeping accounting records? What about the 13 years of records that are already in the accounting system? Should I throw those out? What about inventory and accountant's copies? Will you train my customer's accounting firm to use some other package? What about the inventory database?
  - melling 15y ago
    Microsoft has 90% desktop market share. Software developers won't support other operating systems until they have more market share, and people won't switch to other OS'es until there's more software. If the software you need only runs on Windows then you should pay for Windows. Those that can move to Mac, Linux, etc and get away with using Wine or other alternatives should. The markets for alternative OS'es will grow then more people will be able to move. Sounds like you are stuck on the Windows environment. You should stay and pay for Windows. There's nothing wrong with that.
    - silentOpen 15y ago
      There is something wrong with software vendors abusing their customers, however.
  - dice 15y ago
    OSalt recommends PostBooks: http://www.osalt.com/quickbooks http://www.osalt.com/quickbooks No idea whether or not it's a good replacement as I've never used either.
  - xtracto 15y ago
    Get Virtualbox for mac, buy a very cheap (sealed, legal copy) Windows98 or XP CD from Ebay and install all those in your OSX. Use your Windows only software in there
  - Terretta 15y ago
    Our bookkeeper and accountant both run that in a VM. Adobe will cross-license Mac Photoshop for you. Have to talk to a person, deactivate PS, and fill out a destruction form.
- ceol 15y ago
  It's very possible he's using more than one operating system.
  - jarrett 15y ago
    Correct. I use OS X 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time, I'm running Windows-only software. I'd much rather be able to run that stuff on my Mac.
- scotty79 15y ago
  You've got a point. That why Microsoft turns a blind eye on piracy in developing countries. Piracy is the only way they can get os market share they want. That's the reason why their copyright technical protections are so lousy.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    Allowing piracy is a pricing policy. Whit that, they effectively have a free product without risking having it called dumping.
- jarrett 15y ago
  I always use the competition to the extent that it's available. My main point is that sometimes, there simply are no good non-Windows substitutes. Secondly, I'm pointing out that a lot of people have spent money on licenses for Windows software that has a Mac/*nix equivalent. (I haven't personally, but this applies to a lot of people.) If you have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in those licenses, switching away might not be financially viable. If either of these situations applies to you, I sympathize with your complaints about Windows and its licensing system.
  - sanderjd 15y ago
    His point is that there are no good non-Windows substitutes precisely because the non-Windows market for that software is too small and that by using the Windows version you are removing yourself from the already-too-small market that you should have been part of, which continues the cycle. Your points are definitely valid, but they only reinforce the argument that pirating Windows only harms the competition. Put another way, if you were completely unwilling to either pay for or pirate Windows, the market for the hypothetical non-Windows substitute for a program you need would is guaranteed to be one person larger than it currently is, whereas with the willingness to pirate Windows, that market may be one person smaller.
mbq 15y ago
Quite a lot windows-only software works with Wine, .net stuff runs on Mono and there is still ReactOS -- open source OS written from scratch, binary compatible with Windows.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  I have found the more important and irreplaceable the software is, the less it works with Wine... What I mean by this is, while Notepad.exe may run flawlessly, SolidWorks doesn't.
  - userulluipeste 15y ago
    Please address your issues here: http://www.reactos.org/compat/?show=entry&id=428 http://www.reactos.org/compat/?show=entry&id=428
halostatue 15y ago
I faced that problem (I had some money in Windows-only licenses). I still cut the cord and moved to the Mac. If I find it necessary to move from the Mac to something else, as much as I hate it I will cut the cord and not worry about the software investments that I have made. If you have an application that only works on Windows, then you need to either (a) deal with the Microsoft Tax and all that implies or (b) yell at your software vendor and tell them you want alternative platform support.

by jarrett 15y ago

Groxx 15y ago

You're just reinforcing their argument. By not using the competition, you're ensuring the market for those products on the competition's OS doesn't exist. It's actively strengthening Microsoft's hold on the markets you frequent.

jcnnghm 15y ago
OK. The primary application that I need Windows for is Quickbooks Enterprise. I also still use my Windows Photoshop license since it was expensive, and not transferrable to OS X. My primary operating system is already OS X, and I only use Debian Stable on servers. I run Windows in a VM when I need those application, and only when I need those applications. How would you suggest replacing Quickbooks Enterprise? Do I just stop keeping accounting records? What about the 13 years of records that are already in the accounting system? Should I throw those out? What about inventory and accountant's copies? Will you train my customer's accounting firm to use some other package? What about the inventory database?
- melling 15y ago
  Microsoft has 90% desktop market share. Software developers won't support other operating systems until they have more market share, and people won't switch to other OS'es until there's more software. If the software you need only runs on Windows then you should pay for Windows. Those that can move to Mac, Linux, etc and get away with using Wine or other alternatives should. The markets for alternative OS'es will grow then more people will be able to move. Sounds like you are stuck on the Windows environment. You should stay and pay for Windows. There's nothing wrong with that.
  - silentOpen 15y ago
    There is something wrong with software vendors abusing their customers, however.
- dice 15y ago
  OSalt recommends PostBooks: http://www.osalt.com/quickbooks http://www.osalt.com/quickbooks No idea whether or not it's a good replacement as I've never used either.
- xtracto 15y ago
  Get Virtualbox for mac, buy a very cheap (sealed, legal copy) Windows98 or XP CD from Ebay and install all those in your OSX. Use your Windows only software in there
- Terretta 15y ago
  Our bookkeeper and accountant both run that in a VM. Adobe will cross-license Mac Photoshop for you. Have to talk to a person, deactivate PS, and fill out a destruction form.
ceol 15y ago
It's very possible he's using more than one operating system.
- jarrett 15y ago
  Correct. I use OS X 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time, I'm running Windows-only software. I'd much rather be able to run that stuff on my Mac.
scotty79 15y ago
You've got a point. That why Microsoft turns a blind eye on piracy in developing countries. Piracy is the only way they can get os market share they want. That's the reason why their copyright technical protections are so lousy.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  Allowing piracy is a pricing policy. Whit that, they effectively have a free product without risking having it called dumping.
jarrett 15y ago
I always use the competition to the extent that it's available. My main point is that sometimes, there simply are no good non-Windows substitutes. Secondly, I'm pointing out that a lot of people have spent money on licenses for Windows software that has a Mac/*nix equivalent. (I haven't personally, but this applies to a lot of people.) If you have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in those licenses, switching away might not be financially viable. If either of these situations applies to you, I sympathize with your complaints about Windows and its licensing system.
- sanderjd 15y ago
  His point is that there are no good non-Windows substitutes precisely because the non-Windows market for that software is too small and that by using the Windows version you are removing yourself from the already-too-small market that you should have been part of, which continues the cycle. Your points are definitely valid, but they only reinforce the argument that pirating Windows only harms the competition. Put another way, if you were completely unwilling to either pay for or pirate Windows, the market for the hypothetical non-Windows substitute for a program you need would is guaranteed to be one person larger than it currently is, whereas with the willingness to pirate Windows, that market may be one person smaller.

mbq 15y ago

Quite a lot windows-only software works with Wine, .net stuff runs on Mono and there is still ReactOS -- open source OS written from scratch, binary compatible with Windows.

sliverstorm 15y ago
I have found the more important and irreplaceable the software is, the less it works with Wine... What I mean by this is, while Notepad.exe may run flawlessly, SolidWorks doesn't.
- userulluipeste 15y ago
  Please address your issues here: http://www.reactos.org/compat/?show=entry&id=428 http://www.reactos.org/compat/?show=entry&id=428

halostatue 15y ago

I faced that problem (I had some money in Windows-only licenses). I still cut the cord and moved to the Mac. If I find it necessary to move from the Mac to something else, as much as I hate it I will cut the cord and not worry about the software investments that I have made. If you have an application that only works on Windows, then you need to either (a) deal with the Microsoft Tax and all that implies or (b) yell at your software vendor and tell them you want alternative platform support.