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This is a terrible mistake on Tesla's part. The only reason why we decided on getting a Model Y was because the charging network tipped it in their favor. Tesl

This is a terrible mistake on Tesla's part. The only reason why we decided on getting a Model Y was because the charging network tipped it in their favor. Tesla's charging network is awesome and very conveniently placed. If we had the option to using their charging network, we would have bought the BMW i4. Now, it seems like the prospect of full charging stations and no advantage will push people away from Tesla and go explore different cars, which are all very good as well.

ggm 4y ago
I don't agree. Firstly, Musk will wind up selling more cars outside the US than inside, and this is a US specific intervention. Secondly, the alternative is to ignore this, and see other charging networks steal his (charging) lunch and in any case, the other manufacturers are coming no matter what. People are going to be in a BYD, Ora, or VW i<x> or Hyundai (if they can afford it) before they are in a Tesla. This way, he gets at least some of the revenue for volts. This is "build a bigger market" stuff. You're right in some senses, but against total market growth, charge as income is distinct from locked-in-charge net as attractor to sell cars. He's moving off the lock, into a bigger market.
clouddrover 4y ago
> This is a terrible mistake on Tesla's part. No, the terrible mistake is to have incompatible charging infrastructure. All brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less than that is a profoundly brain-dead outcome. You can fuel any brand of ICE car at any brand of fueling station because the fuel is compatible and the fueling infrastructure is compatible. Standards make that possible. EVs need not and must not be any different. Europe already has the benefit of standardising on CCS type 2 Combo for EV charging. And that means you can charge a BMW i4 on a Tesla charger, exactly as it should be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ Equally it means you can charge a Telsa on Ionity or FastNed or Circle K or GridServe or EnBW or McDonald's or BP or Shell or any other charging network. North America doesn't deserve to be held back by primitive, incompatible EV infrastructure. North America deserves compatible EV charging infrastructure for all EVs.
maxerickson 4y ago
It's unlikely to be a durable advantage. Having a relatively built out network certainly is an advantage, but the big impediment to catching up is money, and there's lots of that, especially when a federal program is spending billions of dollars.

ggm 4y ago

I don't agree. Firstly, Musk will wind up selling more cars outside the US than inside, and this is a US specific intervention. Secondly, the alternative is to ignore this, and see other charging networks steal his (charging) lunch and in any case, the other manufacturers are coming no matter what. People are going to be in a BYD, Ora, or VW i<x> or Hyundai (if they can afford it) before they are in a Tesla. This way, he gets at least some of the revenue for volts. This is "build a bigger market" stuff. You're right in some senses, but against total market growth, charge as income is distinct from locked-in-charge net as attractor to sell cars. He's moving off the lock, into a bigger market.

clouddrover 4y ago

> This is a terrible mistake on Tesla's part. No, the terrible mistake is to have incompatible charging infrastructure. All brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less than that is a profoundly brain-dead outcome. You can fuel any brand of ICE car at any brand of fueling station because the fuel is compatible and the fueling infrastructure is compatible. Standards make that possible. EVs need not and must not be any different. Europe already has the benefit of standardising on CCS type 2 Combo for EV charging. And that means you can charge a BMW i4 on a Tesla charger, exactly as it should be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ Equally it means you can charge a Telsa on Ionity or FastNed or Circle K or GridServe or EnBW or McDonald's or BP or Shell or any other charging network. North America doesn't deserve to be held back by primitive, incompatible EV infrastructure. North America deserves compatible EV charging infrastructure for all EVs.

maxerickson 4y ago

It's unlikely to be a durable advantage. Having a relatively built out network certainly is an advantage, but the big impediment to catching up is money, and there's lots of that, especially when a federal program is spending billions of dollars.