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And now you have USB-C-Apple to keep you guessing. So this just brings us full circle that now we're going to have still apple vs. everyone else connectors, po

And now you have USB-C-Apple to keep you guessing. So this just brings us full circle that now we're going to have still apple vs. everyone else connectors, power adapters, etc and now it's going to be more confusing as you won't always know the difference until something frys. All this means is the first Chinese company to get their hands on the new chips will still reverse engineer it, clone the first keys they get, and resume dumping cloned apple crap gadgets without any certifications. All so Apple can keep selling goddamn dongles to the rich herds that don't mind the Apple tax. Way to go, the perfect perversion of the intended results. I do hope the EU crams this down their throats and keep them on the hook for non-compliance by just creating a new divergent usb-c spec for themselves.

palata 4y ago
I don't know if it counts as a divergent USB-C spec to be honest. For instance, I can create a device that takes USB-C for charging and for a keyboard, but that does not mean that my device must support ethernet-over-usb, right? Such an iOS device could support USB-C charging, but e.g. only accept ethernet-over-usb from certified adapters. I don't think that they can force the cable to be authentified, it's really just that there must be their authentication coprocessor on the accessory side.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  USB is a universal serial bus - if you're using that bus to eliminate the universality or seriality of it's data, you may as well be using your own cable. If Apple goes through with this (and I suspect they won't), the antitrust response will drop like a Smash Brothers character announcement. It happened when they got cheeky with Dutch regulators, nothing is stopping it from happening again.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Take a random USB C cord today. Will it transfer video? What data speed will it support? What power?
  - palata 4y ago
    I think you are misunderstanding it. The fact that it is "universal" means that it can be used for different purposes. Not that it must support all of them. Try to plug a USB-C keyboard into your laptop and use it as a webcam... because it connects with USB-C does not mean that it is a camera. Nothing says that a smartphone has to support everything it can. Typically, ethernet-over-usb is not really a supported feature of Android. It can work, it works on some phones, and on others it seems like the kernel module is just not there (so it doesn't work at all). Is that an antitrust issue? I don't think so: the phone manufacturer just decided that their phones would not do ethernet-over-usb, that's their choice.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    "Universal" in USB really only refers to the physical connector. The amount of things that are optional on the protocol level is... basically everything. If your USB-C plug only provides charging, it's USB-C compliant, and if I understand it correctly, will get a USB-C certification.
scarface74 4y ago
> And now you have USB-C-Apple to keep you guessing. Pick a random USB C cable today. Now tell me: - what speed data does it support? - how much power can it delivery? - can it do video over USB C? Now pick a random USB C powered device like sone Sony headphones or low end devices that come with a USB A to USB C cord. You try to charge it with a USB C to USB C cable and find it doesn’t work because the device doesn’t actual support USB C power delivery
- theshrike79 4y ago
  Now plug in two random computers with USB-C. What happens? Does one start to charge the other? Which one? Does the result change every time you plug the cable in? Ah, the wonders of USB-C :D
  - thiht 4y ago
    Is this dangerous to try stuff like that? I'm curious now! I wonder what happens if I connect the 2 charging USB-C ports of my MacBook together
    - atom058 4y ago
      USB-C devices have a "priority" number: Which number is up to the manufacturer. That number determines which device will be the host. There is a process for Power Role Swap to be initiated by the user, but I have never done this myself :)

palata 4y ago

I don't know if it counts as a divergent USB-C spec to be honest. For instance, I can create a device that takes USB-C for charging and for a keyboard, but that does not mean that my device must support ethernet-over-usb, right? Such an iOS device could support USB-C charging, but e.g. only accept ethernet-over-usb from certified adapters. I don't think that they can force the cable to be authentified, it's really just that there must be their authentication coprocessor on the accessory side.

smoldesu 4y ago
USB is a universal serial bus - if you're using that bus to eliminate the universality or seriality of it's data, you may as well be using your own cable. If Apple goes through with this (and I suspect they won't), the antitrust response will drop like a Smash Brothers character announcement. It happened when they got cheeky with Dutch regulators, nothing is stopping it from happening again.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Take a random USB C cord today. Will it transfer video? What data speed will it support? What power?
- palata 4y ago
  I think you are misunderstanding it. The fact that it is "universal" means that it can be used for different purposes. Not that it must support all of them. Try to plug a USB-C keyboard into your laptop and use it as a webcam... because it connects with USB-C does not mean that it is a camera. Nothing says that a smartphone has to support everything it can. Typically, ethernet-over-usb is not really a supported feature of Android. It can work, it works on some phones, and on others it seems like the kernel module is just not there (so it doesn't work at all). Is that an antitrust issue? I don't think so: the phone manufacturer just decided that their phones would not do ethernet-over-usb, that's their choice.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  "Universal" in USB really only refers to the physical connector. The amount of things that are optional on the protocol level is... basically everything. If your USB-C plug only provides charging, it's USB-C compliant, and if I understand it correctly, will get a USB-C certification.

scarface74 4y ago

> And now you have USB-C-Apple to keep you guessing. Pick a random USB C cable today. Now tell me: - what speed data does it support? - how much power can it delivery? - can it do video over USB C? Now pick a random USB C powered device like sone Sony headphones or low end devices that come with a USB A to USB C cord. You try to charge it with a USB C to USB C cable and find it doesn’t work because the device doesn’t actual support USB C power delivery

theshrike79 4y ago
Now plug in two random computers with USB-C. What happens? Does one start to charge the other? Which one? Does the result change every time you plug the cable in? Ah, the wonders of USB-C :D
- thiht 4y ago
  Is this dangerous to try stuff like that? I'm curious now! I wonder what happens if I connect the 2 charging USB-C ports of my MacBook together
  - atom058 4y ago
    USB-C devices have a "priority" number: Which number is up to the manufacturer. That number determines which device will be the host. There is a process for Power Role Swap to be initiated by the user, but I have never done this myself :)