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> The question is simply where the line gets drawn. And that's one which people who consider themselves ardent defenders of free speech frequently miss. I mean
by notahacker 4y ago
> The question is simply where the line gets drawn.
And that's one which people who consider themselves ardent defenders of free speech frequently miss. I mean, the linked article concludes with a quote insisting that people's speech should "stop short of demanding that the offender be punished or required to make restitution"... earlier in the piece the same author is quoted criticising "campaigns of vilification" and people being "pressed to recant" as the sort of speech which violates principles of liberalism.
That's absolutely drawing a line and putting a whole lot of non-violent, First Amendment-protected speech the wrong side of it, in the style of Popper's paradox-of-tolerance but with the line for what liberalism shouldn't tolerate in a slightly different place. In general, I'm quite amenable to their argument that publicly vilifying certain people in certain ways for things they've said is harmful to the pursuit of science, but I can't see any qualitative difference between that and the argument that certain people ranting about certain minorities might be harmful to individuals (and by dint of its effects on those individuals, also to the pursuit of science). The latter argument has a better evidence base than the argument that non-violent picketing of Milo Yiannopoulos puts the benefits of science at risk, and I don't think the slippery slope between disinviting Milo from Berkeley and fatwas against people accused of blasphemy is any steeper than that between being intolerant of fatwas but also intolerant of bullying and racism.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoI think the case of Milo and Berkeley is a good litmus test. I would agree that non-violent protest is entirely reasonable. Violent protest and property destruction is not. I also think that backlash against people who are intellectually curious and want to hear what they had to say is unreasonable and this is the most contentious point. The idea that even listening to a contrary opinion is a moral offense is illiberal cult thinking. It is Direct attack on information gathering and critical analysis. Judging people based on the content of their speech is one thing, but judging people on their willingness to even listen to offensive speech is another