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On the contrary, I imagine that it would have been extremely effective to have SBF rot in prison for a little while. Things get fixed when rich people suffer. S

by yterdy 4y ago

On the contrary, I imagine that it would have been extremely effective to have SBF rot in prison for a little while. Things get fixed when rich people suffer. Strings get pulled; favors are called in; the person (or family of the deceased), eyes newly opened to the troubles of the world, advocate for better conditions/treatment; and before you know it, laws have changed and norms have been updated. Magic Johnson and HIV; Caitlyn Jenner and trans rights; any number of organizations and foundations aimed at ending [disease someone wealthy was affected by]; uh, Stanford.

moralestapia 4y ago
Exactly. At least they could've played dumb with his extradition for a few months, let him get accustomed to Fox Hill while they prepare the case against him ... but the jet was waiting for him the very next day. No shame.
- tptacek 4y ago
  You think it would have been a better play for the DOJ to leave SBF out of their jurisdiction for months, so that he could avoid making bail?
  - moralestapia 4y ago
    Maybe, yes, I don't think it would make a big difference if he is in the states or not. Actually, I'm sure back there in the Bahamas they wouldn't allow him to have internet access and he wouldn't have tried to coerce some of the witnesses as he did now.
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SideQuark 4y ago
>I imagine that it would have been extremely effective to have SBF rot in prison for a little while So you want to hurt people not yet convicted because why? That is the most American thing I've read today.
- yterdy 4y ago
  Well, no. Not people. A person (who otherwise has lived a life of privilege and comfort). Because maybe he gets out, decides something like that should never happen to anyone in America again, and does whatever rich, connected people do to get laws they like passed. Skipping and whistling my way to Omelas.
  - SideQuark 4y ago
    Now you advocate punishing specific people that are not convicted of a crime because, well, some group want to rationalize targeted cruelty? I'm glad the court system and laws exist to prevent people like you from doing exactly such barbaric lawless retribution and ugliness on fellow human beings. Personally I much more fear people like you that openly advocate for such cruelty than people that steal others money. Both are evil, both fell the law should be ignored when it suits their needs, but your style has historically resulted in vastly larger harm to humanity. I expect you don't see this.
    - yterdy 4y ago
      >I'm glad the court system and laws exist to prevent people like you from doing exactly such barbaric lawless retribution and ugliness on fellow human beings. The legal system, as it currently exists, enables and is sometimes the cause of such "barbaric lawless retribution," actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Darren_Rainey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Darren_Rainey Correcting your strawman of my argument: if a rich and influential person suffering because of the corrupt and cruel nature of the current system results in that system changing to be less cruel and corrupt, particularly towards people who are not rich and influential, then please, let them suffer. In the interim, I will assume that your insistence on perpetuating this system, in the face of its cruelty towards thousands of innocents, in the interest of saving one privileged criminal, comes from either a place of deep ignorance or deep bigotry (implicit or otherwise). In either case, I find myself absolved of any need to give your mistaken opinion any further attention.

by yterdy 4y ago

moralestapia 4y ago

Exactly. At least they could've played dumb with his extradition for a few months, let him get accustomed to Fox Hill while they prepare the case against him ... but the jet was waiting for him the very next day. No shame.

tptacek 4y ago
You think it would have been a better play for the DOJ to leave SBF out of their jurisdiction for months, so that he could avoid making bail?
- moralestapia 4y ago
  Maybe, yes, I don't think it would make a big difference if he is in the states or not. Actually, I'm sure back there in the Bahamas they wouldn't allow him to have internet access and he wouldn't have tried to coerce some of the witnesses as he did now.

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SideQuark 4y ago

>I imagine that it would have been extremely effective to have SBF rot in prison for a little while So you want to hurt people not yet convicted because why? That is the most American thing I've read today.

yterdy 4y ago
Well, no. Not people. A person (who otherwise has lived a life of privilege and comfort). Because maybe he gets out, decides something like that should never happen to anyone in America again, and does whatever rich, connected people do to get laws they like passed. Skipping and whistling my way to Omelas.
- SideQuark 4y ago
  Now you advocate punishing specific people that are not convicted of a crime because, well, some group want to rationalize targeted cruelty? I'm glad the court system and laws exist to prevent people like you from doing exactly such barbaric lawless retribution and ugliness on fellow human beings. Personally I much more fear people like you that openly advocate for such cruelty than people that steal others money. Both are evil, both fell the law should be ignored when it suits their needs, but your style has historically resulted in vastly larger harm to humanity. I expect you don't see this.
  - yterdy 4y ago
    >I'm glad the court system and laws exist to prevent people like you from doing exactly such barbaric lawless retribution and ugliness on fellow human beings. The legal system, as it currently exists, enables and is sometimes the cause of such "barbaric lawless retribution," actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Darren_Rainey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Darren_Rainey Correcting your strawman of my argument: if a rich and influential person suffering because of the corrupt and cruel nature of the current system results in that system changing to be less cruel and corrupt, particularly towards people who are not rich and influential, then please, let them suffer. In the interim, I will assume that your insistence on perpetuating this system, in the face of its cruelty towards thousands of innocents, in the interest of saving one privileged criminal, comes from either a place of deep ignorance or deep bigotry (implicit or otherwise). In either case, I find myself absolved of any need to give your mistaken opinion any further attention.