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Yeah if I throw a B660 in there the price is closer. I would probably do that. Good to hear that about the CPU issue. I found that one out the hard way and had

by unxdfa 4y ago

Yeah if I throw a B660 in there the price is closer. I would probably do that. Good to hear that about the CPU issue. I found that one out the hard way and had to scoot around to a friend's house and borrow his CPU for a few minutes. I bought MSI board after that as they had that built in anyway. AMD scare me on the reliability front. The 3700X and B450 combo I had before was a dick. It would come up 50% of the times with the fans cranking and have to be powered down and back up again a couple of times for it to boot. My Intel machines never did anything like that for the last 25 years or so but the last Athlon XP I had did the same damn thing.

sliken 4y ago
Heh, I've been tracking desktops for quite some time, not noticed any significant reliability differences between AMD and Intel. My current desktop is a 2015 Xeon e3-1230 which was CHEAPER then the similar i7, but allowed ECC. I do like that the AMD motherboards allow ECC, it's a bit of a mess, but better then nothing. AMD doesn't guarantee/certify it until you upgrade to the Epyc. So you end up digging through motherboard docs, certification lists, and forums. My previous desktop was some early amd64, had no reliability problems with it. Before that I think it might have been an Celeron 300A that was overclocked to 450 MHz, same silicon as their non-celeron 450 MHz CPU, so overclocking was very common then. So far I've been switching between AMD and Intel every gen, and likely on my Xeon replacement.
goosedragons 4y ago
Are you consistently buying bargain basement boards? I have a 3700X + X570 and I've never had the fans cranking and it fail to boot.
- unxdfa 4y ago
  All of them are bargain basement. Some just have shiny things stuck to them and fancy lights. I tend to go for Asus Prime or MSI Pro boards these days.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    No, some of them have better components too. It's not just shiny things and fancy lights.
    - unxdfa 4y ago
      I was an EE for years. There isn't much in it between the economy boards, corp shitbox boards and really expensive ones despite the marketing garbage.
      - jimbo9991 4y ago
        What do you think of the sabertooth/TUF series boards (if they still have them around)? I always purchased those because they seemed to advertise better components specifically, but maybe I was being bamboozled. Are there even quality grades for boards at all? Lets say I go into the super premium high price server space and start buying POWER 10s or something, would you say that the grade on those components (the basic stuff, not talking about anything design wise or the socket or whatever, just the base component quality) is also pretty similar to budget x86 boards? I'm basically asking if there is any reason I should care at all about motherboards outside of whatever IO/cpu socket/memory its got on it, and if that also applies outside of the consumer desktop space.
        unxdfa 4y ago
        All the major branded ones seem about equal. The only lesser ones are the weird Wish and Aliexpress ones.

by unxdfa 4y ago

sliken 4y ago

Heh, I've been tracking desktops for quite some time, not noticed any significant reliability differences between AMD and Intel. My current desktop is a 2015 Xeon e3-1230 which was CHEAPER then the similar i7, but allowed ECC. I do like that the AMD motherboards allow ECC, it's a bit of a mess, but better then nothing. AMD doesn't guarantee/certify it until you upgrade to the Epyc. So you end up digging through motherboard docs, certification lists, and forums. My previous desktop was some early amd64, had no reliability problems with it. Before that I think it might have been an Celeron 300A that was overclocked to 450 MHz, same silicon as their non-celeron 450 MHz CPU, so overclocking was very common then. So far I've been switching between AMD and Intel every gen, and likely on my Xeon replacement.

goosedragons 4y ago

Are you consistently buying bargain basement boards? I have a 3700X + X570 and I've never had the fans cranking and it fail to boot.

unxdfa 4y ago
All of them are bargain basement. Some just have shiny things stuck to them and fancy lights. I tend to go for Asus Prime or MSI Pro boards these days.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  No, some of them have better components too. It's not just shiny things and fancy lights.
  - unxdfa 4y ago
    I was an EE for years. There isn't much in it between the economy boards, corp shitbox boards and really expensive ones despite the marketing garbage.
    - jimbo9991 4y ago
      What do you think of the sabertooth/TUF series boards (if they still have them around)? I always purchased those because they seemed to advertise better components specifically, but maybe I was being bamboozled. Are there even quality grades for boards at all? Lets say I go into the super premium high price server space and start buying POWER 10s or something, would you say that the grade on those components (the basic stuff, not talking about anything design wise or the socket or whatever, just the base component quality) is also pretty similar to budget x86 boards? I'm basically asking if there is any reason I should care at all about motherboards outside of whatever IO/cpu socket/memory its got on it, and if that also applies outside of the consumer desktop space.
      - unxdfa 4y ago
        All the major branded ones seem about equal. The only lesser ones are the weird Wish and Aliexpress ones.