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Thanks for the response and the explanation. I was unaware of the licensing issues preventing GrapheneOS from taking code from Bromite despite Bromite taking fr

Thanks for the response and the explanation. I was unaware of the licensing issues preventing GrapheneOS from taking code from Bromite despite Bromite taking from GrapheneOS, and of the lack of proper attribution for contributions from GrapheneOS. > Bromite began working with people involved in a severe misinformation and harassment campaign directed at GrapheneOS developers IMO "reviewing a pull request" is a far cry from "working with". You really expected Bromite to immediately close the PR, even if it contained valuable contributions, just because GrapheneOS claims (without evidence) that this person is associated with a group of harassers? > Personally, I think engaging in spreading misinformation about open source projects across platforms including via sockpuppet accounts like this one along with harassment and libel targeting our project members is extremely anti-open-source Baseless accusation. I'm not affiliated with any of these projects, but I do want the opportunity to contribute to them in the future, which is why I didn't post this using my main account. Also, it's not productive to view any form of criticism as "harassment and libel". Quoting from your GitHub comment: > anyone who contributes to Bromite going forward will be banned from the GrapheneOS community If merely contributing to Bromite can get you banned from the GrapheneOS community, we can reasonably assume that any criticism of such decisions can also get you banned, and I don't want that.

strcat 4y ago
> IMO "reviewing a pull request" is a far cry from "working with". You really expected Bromite to immediately close the PR, even if it contained valuable contributions, just because GrapheneOS claims (without evidence) that this person is associated with a group of harassers? They are doing much more than that, and we have ample evidence that these folks have engaged in libel and harassment. They also abused GitHub moderation tools to mislead people which is par for the course. It's you making claims without evidence... and it's very typical to be accusing us of what you folks are doing. Here's one of many examples of one of the people associated with Calyx doing exactly that in response to a purely technical post: https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 There are many more examples including the leader of the organization doing this same routine of making up stories about me and claiming that I'm insane to direct bullying/harassment towards me. They've engaged in relentless libel and harassment for multiple years. > Baseless accusation. I'm not affiliated with any of these projects, but I do want the opportunity to contribute to them in the future, which is why I didn't post this using my main account. Also, it's not productive to view any form of criticism as "harassment and libel". You've done the opposite of contributing to any open source projects. You made at least one sockpuppet account to stir up shit on at least one platform to try to harm GrapheneOS. I wouldn't be surprised if other recent sockpuppet accounts belong to you too. You're demonstrating exactly why those projects and people involved in them are problematic. > and I don't want that. If you want to participate in the GrapheneOS project or community in good faith, you'll try to repair the harm you've caused. If you leave things like this, you aren't welcome.
- throwaway_graph 4y ago
  > It's you making claims without evidence... I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. > You made at least one sockpuppet account to stir up shit on at least one platform to try to harm GrapheneOS. You can keep calling me a sockpuppet but that doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and isn't true. Also, my motivation is not to "harm GrapheneOS" but to provide constructive criticism and inform the public of a decision made by the project that I disagree with and believe is harmful to the FOSS community. > If you want to participate in the GrapheneOS project or community in good faith, you'll try to repair the harm you've caused. The harm I caused by raising a genuine criticism about the project on HN which gained a total of 7 upvotes? Also, not sure what "repairing the harm I've caused" entails. Does that mean deleting the post? Because I won't be doing that, and I don't think I'm even able to anyway. Luckily this website isn't owned by you, so you can't just go deleting my posts like you do whenever someone posts any form of criticism on any forums/chatrooms owned by you.
  - strcat 4y ago
    > I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. You made numerous baseless claims without evidence in your posts. > You can keep calling me a sockpuppet but that doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and isn't true. Also, my motivation is not to "harm GrapheneOS" but to provide constructive criticism and inform the public of a decision made by the project that I disagree with and believe is harmful to the FOSS community. You made a fresh account dedicated to the purpose of spreading spin and misinformation about GrapheneOS. There is another freshly created account in this thread doing the same thing, and that's suspected of being someone who has previously engaged in vicious bullying/harassment including claiming that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar in response to detailed explanations in the thread they linked, which is why their messages there were removed. One of the messages doing that can be temporarily approved to prove it exists, but many people have seen this happening elsewhere already. > The harm I caused by raising a genuine criticism about the project on HN which gained a total of 7 upvotes? This is not the only similar post made to attack the project from freshly created throwaway accounts in the past few days. Many of those use a similar approach and writing style. There are a few people hostile towards GrapheneOS who put massive amounts of time into trying to harm it by posting for hours every day across platforms. If you're not one of those people, you should have posted from an established account where it wouldn't come across as yet another fresh account from a small group of people. > Also, not sure what "repairing the harm I've caused" entails. Does that mean deleting the post? Because I won't be doing that, and I don't think I'm even able to anyway. A starting point is making a list of the posts you've made with throwaway accounts across platforms recently, showing us which ones were you and correcting the inaccurate claims you're making in them. > Luckily this website isn't owned by you, so you can't just go deleting my posts like you do whenever someone posts any form of criticism on any forums/chatrooms owned by you. People can look at our chat rooms and forums to see that this is clearly not true. Our rooms are frequently targeted by people like yourself spreading spin/misinformation and engaging in bullying/harassment. Their posts are usually automatically removed from the main scrollback automatically when they get banned, which is the default in the ban bot for some ban reasons or done manually in other cases. The posts from other people engaging with them no longer make sense without them and are usually removed too. There are archives of the chat without any messages removed. Removal keeps the Matrix chat useful and easy to read. No one wants to scroll through thousands of lines of people interacting with trolls to find 2-3 lines from people asking for help with something. People needing help or discussing things constructively are often drowned out by trolls derailing the chats.

strcat 4y ago

> IMO "reviewing a pull request" is a far cry from "working with". You really expected Bromite to immediately close the PR, even if it contained valuable contributions, just because GrapheneOS claims (without evidence) that this person is associated with a group of harassers? They are doing much more than that, and we have ample evidence that these folks have engaged in libel and harassment. They also abused GitHub moderation tools to mislead people which is par for the course. It's you making claims without evidence... and it's very typical to be accusing us of what you folks are doing. Here's one of many examples of one of the people associated with Calyx doing exactly that in response to a purely technical post: https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 There are many more examples including the leader of the organization doing this same routine of making up stories about me and claiming that I'm insane to direct bullying/harassment towards me. They've engaged in relentless libel and harassment for multiple years. > Baseless accusation. I'm not affiliated with any of these projects, but I do want the opportunity to contribute to them in the future, which is why I didn't post this using my main account. Also, it's not productive to view any form of criticism as "harassment and libel". You've done the opposite of contributing to any open source projects. You made at least one sockpuppet account to stir up shit on at least one platform to try to harm GrapheneOS. I wouldn't be surprised if other recent sockpuppet accounts belong to you too. You're demonstrating exactly why those projects and people involved in them are problematic. > and I don't want that. If you want to participate in the GrapheneOS project or community in good faith, you'll try to repair the harm you've caused. If you leave things like this, you aren't welcome.

throwaway_graph 4y ago
> It's you making claims without evidence... I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. > You made at least one sockpuppet account to stir up shit on at least one platform to try to harm GrapheneOS. You can keep calling me a sockpuppet but that doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and isn't true. Also, my motivation is not to "harm GrapheneOS" but to provide constructive criticism and inform the public of a decision made by the project that I disagree with and believe is harmful to the FOSS community. > If you want to participate in the GrapheneOS project or community in good faith, you'll try to repair the harm you've caused. The harm I caused by raising a genuine criticism about the project on HN which gained a total of 7 upvotes? Also, not sure what "repairing the harm I've caused" entails. Does that mean deleting the post? Because I won't be doing that, and I don't think I'm even able to anyway. Luckily this website isn't owned by you, so you can't just go deleting my posts like you do whenever someone posts any form of criticism on any forums/chatrooms owned by you.
- strcat 4y ago
  > I provided a link to a GitHub issue that you opened. I don't think anything in my OP was objectively untrue. You made numerous baseless claims without evidence in your posts. > You can keep calling me a sockpuppet but that doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and isn't true. Also, my motivation is not to "harm GrapheneOS" but to provide constructive criticism and inform the public of a decision made by the project that I disagree with and believe is harmful to the FOSS community. You made a fresh account dedicated to the purpose of spreading spin and misinformation about GrapheneOS. There is another freshly created account in this thread doing the same thing, and that's suspected of being someone who has previously engaged in vicious bullying/harassment including claiming that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar in response to detailed explanations in the thread they linked, which is why their messages there were removed. One of the messages doing that can be temporarily approved to prove it exists, but many people have seen this happening elsewhere already. > The harm I caused by raising a genuine criticism about the project on HN which gained a total of 7 upvotes? This is not the only similar post made to attack the project from freshly created throwaway accounts in the past few days. Many of those use a similar approach and writing style. There are a few people hostile towards GrapheneOS who put massive amounts of time into trying to harm it by posting for hours every day across platforms. If you're not one of those people, you should have posted from an established account where it wouldn't come across as yet another fresh account from a small group of people. > Also, not sure what "repairing the harm I've caused" entails. Does that mean deleting the post? Because I won't be doing that, and I don't think I'm even able to anyway. A starting point is making a list of the posts you've made with throwaway accounts across platforms recently, showing us which ones were you and correcting the inaccurate claims you're making in them. > Luckily this website isn't owned by you, so you can't just go deleting my posts like you do whenever someone posts any form of criticism on any forums/chatrooms owned by you. People can look at our chat rooms and forums to see that this is clearly not true. Our rooms are frequently targeted by people like yourself spreading spin/misinformation and engaging in bullying/harassment. Their posts are usually automatically removed from the main scrollback automatically when they get banned, which is the default in the ban bot for some ban reasons or done manually in other cases. The posts from other people engaging with them no longer make sense without them and are usually removed too. There are archives of the chat without any messages removed. Removal keeps the Matrix chat useful and easy to read. No one wants to scroll through thousands of lines of people interacting with trolls to find 2-3 lines from people asking for help with something. People needing help or discussing things constructively are often drowned out by trolls derailing the chats.