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It is effectively impossible to reason people out of positions they have not reasoned themselves into. The market place of idea struggles in my close friend gr
by fllsdf 4y ago
It is effectively impossible to reason people out of positions they have not reasoned themselves into.
The market place of idea struggles in my close friend group where we have sort of a tradition to do these kind of debates, despite us being very close since almost a decade, and educated above our national average.
It's a nice enough idea, but i dont see how to make it work in a space where money amplifies speech, and some types of speeches have been a negative to specific groups of people throughout history.
The obvious long term solution is more education but that requires money, so the obvious short term solution is censorship
- kneebonian 4y ago> It is effectively impossible to reason people out of positions they have not reasoned themselves into. Some people cannot be trusted with certain ideas so a more superior individual must control what they can hear. Do you realize how patronizing and condescending you sound about your friends by the way when you clearly imply your ideas are well reasoned and factual and theirs are the result of psychology manipulation?
- fllsdf 4y agoBut it is true, in fact that is part of the core ideas of representative democracy, and also the basic principle behind the monopoly of violence that any democratic state has to have Some people cannot be trusted with certains ideas so a more superior indivdual or organisation must control what they can do Or must we abandon policing since we can all exchange on the marketplace of ideas ? My idea is since i control 40 gunmans and you control 0, you owe me money despite nothing having ever happened between us. No violence was ever implied. Not saying that speech = action, but i cannot see how you can argue for police to exist but speech to be free as speech in itself must lead to actions, or why else would we speak in public ?