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You can't really call it a marketplace of ideas, then, if your response is [metaphorically] a SLAPP. E.g. people weren't just critical of Justine Sacco, they t

You can't really call it a marketplace of ideas, then, if your response is [metaphorically] a SLAPP. E.g. people weren't just critical of Justine Sacco, they tried to destroy her. Tell me again who the bad guys are?

anigbrowl 4y ago
So what you dislike is groups of people coordinating their speech, it appears. How is this any different from coordination using price signals?
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  So you're okay with mob justice, then? You feel pretty confident they'll never come for you?
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    The courteous response would be to answer my question rather than deflecting from it. But since you ask, I am not okay with it in many contexts and my confidence estimates are applied to individual situations rather than being general. I have had experience of being attacked by mobs, both online and physically. I have scars from being kicked in the head and stabbed in the leg during such an attack. I've separately been arrested and jailed on specious charges over political activity (more than once) and obtained dismissal of charges in court. And I have been the target of both verbal and physical violence on many, many occasions, often both on the same occasion. So I come at this question with very extensive first hand knowledge of how such arguments can play out. So now, would you care to respond to the question I asked: how do you think coordinated speech in a marketplace of ideas differs from coordination of buying or selling in response to price signals?
Zetice 4y ago
How should a marketplace of ideas work, then?
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  You attack the idea, not the person. If you go after the person, you are not participating in any marketplace of ideas, you're now the one committing the violence.
  - vannevar 4y ago
    What if instead of verbally attacking a single person, you verbally attack a group of people? Is that committing violence?
  - Zetice 4y ago
    Isn’t that what’s happening? “The idea is repulsive so expressing it has consequences.” Seems to be about the idea to me.

anigbrowl 4y ago

So what you dislike is groups of people coordinating their speech, it appears. How is this any different from coordination using price signals?

rootusrootus 4y ago
So you're okay with mob justice, then? You feel pretty confident they'll never come for you?
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  The courteous response would be to answer my question rather than deflecting from it. But since you ask, I am not okay with it in many contexts and my confidence estimates are applied to individual situations rather than being general. I have had experience of being attacked by mobs, both online and physically. I have scars from being kicked in the head and stabbed in the leg during such an attack. I've separately been arrested and jailed on specious charges over political activity (more than once) and obtained dismissal of charges in court. And I have been the target of both verbal and physical violence on many, many occasions, often both on the same occasion. So I come at this question with very extensive first hand knowledge of how such arguments can play out. So now, would you care to respond to the question I asked: how do you think coordinated speech in a marketplace of ideas differs from coordination of buying or selling in response to price signals?

Zetice 4y ago

How should a marketplace of ideas work, then?

rootusrootus 4y ago
You attack the idea, not the person. If you go after the person, you are not participating in any marketplace of ideas, you're now the one committing the violence.
- vannevar 4y ago
  What if instead of verbally attacking a single person, you verbally attack a group of people? Is that committing violence?
- Zetice 4y ago
  Isn’t that what’s happening? “The idea is repulsive so expressing it has consequences.” Seems to be about the idea to me.