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> In contrast, physical violence is an uncomplicated, universal offender. A punch to the face hurts everyone. What a completely deranged take. It's easy to con

> In contrast, physical violence is an uncomplicated, universal offender. A punch to the face hurts everyone. What a completely deranged take. It's easy to conceive of a thought experiment that absolutely destroys this perspective. Imagine that I've applied lidocaine to my face and you punch me. Then someone points out that because I didn't feel pain, that "It's ok to punch other people in the face." The author's argument makes about as much sense, ie: none.

stonogo 4y ago
In this strawman argument, are you asserting that lidocaine prevents the punch from causing physical damage?
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  If the author was implying damage, he did an incredibly poor job at conveying that. He said "hurt" not "damage."
  - stonogo 4y ago
    You're going to have a frustrating time if you use that kind of pedantry to build a bad-faith interpretation of the proposed argument. "Joey got hurt in the boxing match" does not generally mean he was offended by the color of his opponent's shorts, and when someone talks about a punch in the face hurting someone they're using the broadest sense of the word 'hurt,' which is commonly accepted to encompass all of emotional pain, physical damage, and the deleterious effect of violence on any given community. Choosing the specific definition that makes the argument weakest isn't really productive unless you're just looking to get mad about something.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      Language is always evolving, and words do not always need to be tethered to their denotative meaning for us to understand what people mean.
      - stonogo 4y ago
        That would be an insightful comment if you hadn't just deliberately misinterpreted someone by tethering yourself to an overly-specific denotative meaning.
throwawayacc6 4y ago
>Imagine that I've applied lidocaine to my face and you punch me. Then someone points out that because I didn't feel pain, that "It's ok to punch other people in the face." Your entire strawman is invalidated because the author wrote "hurt", not "pained". Even if you didn't feel pain, a punch still hurts (injures) your body. QED. Hurt: To cause physical damage or pain to (an individual or a body part); injure.[0] >What a completely deranged take. Reread your comment over again if you want a completely deranged take. [0] https://www.wordnik.com/words/hurt https://www.wordnik.com/words/hurt

stonogo 4y ago

In this strawman argument, are you asserting that lidocaine prevents the punch from causing physical damage?

kelseyfrog 4y ago
If the author was implying damage, he did an incredibly poor job at conveying that. He said "hurt" not "damage."
- stonogo 4y ago
  You're going to have a frustrating time if you use that kind of pedantry to build a bad-faith interpretation of the proposed argument. "Joey got hurt in the boxing match" does not generally mean he was offended by the color of his opponent's shorts, and when someone talks about a punch in the face hurting someone they're using the broadest sense of the word 'hurt,' which is commonly accepted to encompass all of emotional pain, physical damage, and the deleterious effect of violence on any given community. Choosing the specific definition that makes the argument weakest isn't really productive unless you're just looking to get mad about something.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Language is always evolving, and words do not always need to be tethered to their denotative meaning for us to understand what people mean.
    - stonogo 4y ago
      That would be an insightful comment if you hadn't just deliberately misinterpreted someone by tethering yourself to an overly-specific denotative meaning.

throwawayacc6 4y ago

>Imagine that I've applied lidocaine to my face and you punch me. Then someone points out that because I didn't feel pain, that "It's ok to punch other people in the face." Your entire strawman is invalidated because the author wrote "hurt", not "pained". Even if you didn't feel pain, a punch still hurts (injures) your body. QED. Hurt: To cause physical damage or pain to (an individual or a body part); injure.[0] >What a completely deranged take. Reread your comment over again if you want a completely deranged take. [0] https://www.wordnik.com/words/hurt https://www.wordnik.com/words/hurt