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Most people don't realize this and they also don't realize that equal opportunity laws also apply to white, male, christians, etc.

farmaway 4y ago
The laws are almost never enforced that way and almost always flouted in that direction, so the common misperception is understandable.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  This hyperbolic nonsense to say laws are almost never enforced that way. There are real biases and Injustice, but it doesn't a disservice do any reasonable debate to make such exaggerating claims
  - farmaway 4y ago
    It's not an exaggeration. My city government has funded a "Black Excellence Center" which will use public funds to build a racially-exclusive art gallery/business incubator/cultural space for black people, who represent ~6% of my city's population and are not excluded from any of the similar places which already exist: https://www.theblackcenter.org/ https://www.theblackcenter.org/ This is blatantly unconstitutional, but no one has challenged it in court and no one will. Other examples abound, such as racial discrimination in Ivy League admissions (now challenged in court, but for its impact on Asians mainly) and observed differences across race in admitted med students' MCAT scores. Teddy Roosevelt once said that, "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism" and, "The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities." Well, here we are. Separate schools, separate standards, separate funding, separate public investment, except for the one largest demographic group... all driving my country into further conflict and disunity.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I take your point. I thought you were speaking about "the law' in general, and not specifically commenting equal opportunity laws
    - garbagecoder 4y ago
      Not saying what you're saying is wrong, but there are lawsuits every day for discriminating against what people think are the majority in employment and housing. I'm not sure why my post was downvoted for pointing out a fact about the law and that most people don't realize it. But you're doubling down not just on that people aren't aware of it but that it's a dead letter. That's wrong. You're confusing the government's spending power with discrimination in employment.
    - aklemm 4y ago
      This particular type of grievance is only possible when you fail or refuse to comprehend the long, brutal, and massive privilege that “one largest demographic” took for itself for centuries. “Separate schools, separate standards, separate funding, separate public investment” indeed.
mikrotikker 4y ago
Yes that is why the civil rights law in California was almost repealed last year, they wanted to make it legal to discriminate against white people. Such moronic thinking does not consider the future consequences. Law by teenagers.
- garbagecoder 4y ago
  "Almost" is not true. Did someone drop a bill in the legislature? Maybe. Did it even make it out of committee? Where are you getting this? "Almost" is doing a lot of work. If your source was AM radio or Fox News don't bother to reply. Leginfo only, please.
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    More than a year ago, but perhaps referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16 ?
    - garbagecoder 4y ago
      Nope, that's a repeal of our affirmative action ban WHICH FAILED in 2020, during the alleged peak of the woke mob. I bet Fox doesn't mention that affirmative action is illegal in California. That is not repealing our civil rights law, the FEHA, or amending it to remove protections for white people, who are, by the way, only a plurality here. Even if we had, the federal law, Title VII, still protects everyone. The question isn't who you are, it's whether you were discriminated against on that basis. Personally, I am really glad the rest of the country hates us and thinks we're shit so they don't come here, but it gets annoying when people just make stuff up. No, the place is far from perfect, but it's nothing like what people imagine. Even in San Francisco, they recalled the prosecutor who wouldn't do anything and San Francisco is probably the most extreme. People think that must mean every city around it is the same. Other than Berkeley, sometimes, they just aren't. In fact most of us go, thank god I don't live in San Francisco, which, by the way isn't the second biggest city in the state. San Jose has more people than San Francisco and so does San Diego. San Diego is much, much more purple. It's almost like 40m people are different. They sure seem happy to take our tax dollars though.

farmaway 4y ago

The laws are almost never enforced that way and almost always flouted in that direction, so the common misperception is understandable.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
This hyperbolic nonsense to say laws are almost never enforced that way. There are real biases and Injustice, but it doesn't a disservice do any reasonable debate to make such exaggerating claims
- farmaway 4y ago
  It's not an exaggeration. My city government has funded a "Black Excellence Center" which will use public funds to build a racially-exclusive art gallery/business incubator/cultural space for black people, who represent ~6% of my city's population and are not excluded from any of the similar places which already exist: https://www.theblackcenter.org/ https://www.theblackcenter.org/ This is blatantly unconstitutional, but no one has challenged it in court and no one will. Other examples abound, such as racial discrimination in Ivy League admissions (now challenged in court, but for its impact on Asians mainly) and observed differences across race in admitted med students' MCAT scores. Teddy Roosevelt once said that, "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism" and, "The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities." Well, here we are. Separate schools, separate standards, separate funding, separate public investment, except for the one largest demographic group... all driving my country into further conflict and disunity.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I take your point. I thought you were speaking about "the law' in general, and not specifically commenting equal opportunity laws
  - garbagecoder 4y ago
    Not saying what you're saying is wrong, but there are lawsuits every day for discriminating against what people think are the majority in employment and housing. I'm not sure why my post was downvoted for pointing out a fact about the law and that most people don't realize it. But you're doubling down not just on that people aren't aware of it but that it's a dead letter. That's wrong. You're confusing the government's spending power with discrimination in employment.
  - aklemm 4y ago
    This particular type of grievance is only possible when you fail or refuse to comprehend the long, brutal, and massive privilege that “one largest demographic” took for itself for centuries. “Separate schools, separate standards, separate funding, separate public investment” indeed.

mikrotikker 4y ago

Yes that is why the civil rights law in California was almost repealed last year, they wanted to make it legal to discriminate against white people. Such moronic thinking does not consider the future consequences. Law by teenagers.

garbagecoder 4y ago
"Almost" is not true. Did someone drop a bill in the legislature? Maybe. Did it even make it out of committee? Where are you getting this? "Almost" is doing a lot of work. If your source was AM radio or Fox News don't bother to reply. Leginfo only, please.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  More than a year ago, but perhaps referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16 ?
  - garbagecoder 4y ago
    Nope, that's a repeal of our affirmative action ban WHICH FAILED in 2020, during the alleged peak of the woke mob. I bet Fox doesn't mention that affirmative action is illegal in California. That is not repealing our civil rights law, the FEHA, or amending it to remove protections for white people, who are, by the way, only a plurality here. Even if we had, the federal law, Title VII, still protects everyone. The question isn't who you are, it's whether you were discriminated against on that basis. Personally, I am really glad the rest of the country hates us and thinks we're shit so they don't come here, but it gets annoying when people just make stuff up. No, the place is far from perfect, but it's nothing like what people imagine. Even in San Francisco, they recalled the prosecutor who wouldn't do anything and San Francisco is probably the most extreme. People think that must mean every city around it is the same. Other than Berkeley, sometimes, they just aren't. In fact most of us go, thank god I don't live in San Francisco, which, by the way isn't the second biggest city in the state. San Jose has more people than San Francisco and so does San Diego. San Diego is much, much more purple. It's almost like 40m people are different. They sure seem happy to take our tax dollars though.