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These is missing something. Looking at just the Q4 2022 numbers: AMD Desktop CPU Market Share 18.6% AMD Mobility CPU Market Share 16.4% AMD Server CPU Market

by TOMDM 4y ago

These is missing something. Looking at just the Q4 2022 numbers: AMD Desktop CPU Market Share 18.6% AMD Mobility CPU Market Share 16.4% AMD Server CPU Market Share 17.6% AMD Overall x86 CPU Market Share 31.3% What's causing the bump from 16%-18% share to 31% in the avgs? Are they including game consoles in the x86 market share?

vondur 4y ago
I assumed it's due to their server chips being way more efficient, powerful, and cheaper than the equivalent parts from Intel.
- neogodless 4y ago
  That is not an answer to the (math) question they were asking.
- zxexz 4y ago
  Yeah this must be it. In my experience new AMD server chips are better in pretty much any way, for most workloads. Everybody I know seems to agree. It just doesn't make economic sense to go Intel for new servers.
- vondur 4y ago
  I found this bit from networkworld.com: "In the server market, AMD's total market share grew from 10.7% at the start of 2022 to 17.6% at the end of the year, while Intel fell from 89.3% at the start of the year to 82.4%. Interestingly, the server chips that are selling the most aren't the newest and greatest models" Hard to tell what calculations are being used to derive the percentages. Maybe they are using dollar amounts per total spending on all chips, and server chips cost more, therefore driving the market share numbers?
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forty 4y ago
I understand that the 3 first statistics include non x86 CPUs
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  These numbers are really bad for both AMD and Intel, honestly. It suggests that the x86 server/desktop monopoly is getting crushed in a major way.
  - ChuckMcM 4y ago
    Yes: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lowest-cpu-shipments-in-30-years-amd-intel-q2-2022-cpu-market-share https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lowest-cpu-shipments-in-30...
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    Where are the non-X86 desktops??
    - WoodenChair 4y ago
      Mac Studio, Mac Mini, iMac for starters.
      - luuurker 4y ago
        Some Chromebooks too. (edit: maybe not "desktop" though)
        Grazester 4y ago
        Most Chromebook run x86 processors. You would be hard pressed to find one that didn't
        yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        > Most Chromebook run x86 processors. Objectively true. > You would be hard pressed to find one that didn't Eh, that's less true; I own 2 ARM Chromebooks, because I wanted some non-x86 in my life, and neither was hard to find, it just took me actually looking for it.
smalley 4y ago
I reached out to Mercury Research (the company whose research is being quoted) and the articles are missing some clarifying information. The overall CPU Market Share number also includes both IoT and SoC numbers which are not included in the other numbers and in which Intel's shipments have declined substantially while AMDs SoC products (including game consoles) are making up a large number. This is what's responsible for the disparity. They also added that the data was distributed with a helpful clarifying note the news articles are mostly omitting: * Please keep in mind that due to the inventory corrections taking place, that the statistics and share movements reported here in the past few quarters -- and likely for the first half of 2023 -- are more reflective of the suppliers differing in the depth and timing of their inventory corrections, rather than indicating sales-out share of the PC market, which is something we probably won't know with any accuracy until late in 2023. *
- jackvalentine 4y ago
  I’m guessing ‘SoC and IoT’ includes things like the CPUs in NAS appliances. I have noticed recently a huge proliferation of AMD Ryzen CPUs in these devices when a couple of years ago it was Celerons/Pentiums.
  - chris37879 4y ago
    The Steamdeck's APU (and others using the same tech) are becoming more common, not sure if those count as 'desktop' or 'console' though...
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      Valve is the only user of the AMD "Van Gogh" APU. Other handhelds are using regular laptop parts. I think AMD originally pitched it for laptop makers since it was leaked in 2020: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-mobile-apus-for-2021-2022-detailed-first-navi2-igpu-coming-with-vangogh https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-mobile-apus-for-2021-2022-de... But I suspect they rejected it because they don't care about IGP performance, just as they rejected Intel's "Iris" Broadwell CPUs and the hybrid amd/intel chip.
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ilyt 4y ago
The Intel not making chips for any gaming console I'd imagine

by TOMDM 4y ago

vondur 4y ago

I assumed it's due to their server chips being way more efficient, powerful, and cheaper than the equivalent parts from Intel.

neogodless 4y ago
That is not an answer to the (math) question they were asking.
zxexz 4y ago
Yeah this must be it. In my experience new AMD server chips are better in pretty much any way, for most workloads. Everybody I know seems to agree. It just doesn't make economic sense to go Intel for new servers.
vondur 4y ago
I found this bit from networkworld.com: "In the server market, AMD's total market share grew from 10.7% at the start of 2022 to 17.6% at the end of the year, while Intel fell from 89.3% at the start of the year to 82.4%. Interestingly, the server chips that are selling the most aren't the newest and greatest models" Hard to tell what calculations are being used to derive the percentages. Maybe they are using dollar amounts per total spending on all chips, and server chips cost more, therefore driving the market share numbers?
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forty 4y ago

I understand that the 3 first statistics include non x86 CPUs

pclmulqdq 4y ago
These numbers are really bad for both AMD and Intel, honestly. It suggests that the x86 server/desktop monopoly is getting crushed in a major way.
- ChuckMcM 4y ago
  Yes: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lowest-cpu-shipments-in-30-years-amd-intel-q2-2022-cpu-market-share https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lowest-cpu-shipments-in-30...
- ekianjo 4y ago
  Where are the non-X86 desktops??
  - WoodenChair 4y ago
    Mac Studio, Mac Mini, iMac for starters.
    - luuurker 4y ago
      Some Chromebooks too. (edit: maybe not "desktop" though)
      - Grazester 4y ago
        Most Chromebook run x86 processors. You would be hard pressed to find one that didn't
        yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        > Most Chromebook run x86 processors. Objectively true. > You would be hard pressed to find one that didn't Eh, that's less true; I own 2 ARM Chromebooks, because I wanted some non-x86 in my life, and neither was hard to find, it just took me actually looking for it.

smalley 4y ago

I reached out to Mercury Research (the company whose research is being quoted) and the articles are missing some clarifying information. The overall CPU Market Share number also includes both IoT and SoC numbers which are not included in the other numbers and in which Intel's shipments have declined substantially while AMDs SoC products (including game consoles) are making up a large number. This is what's responsible for the disparity. They also added that the data was distributed with a helpful clarifying note the news articles are mostly omitting: * Please keep in mind that due to the inventory corrections taking place, that the statistics and share movements reported here in the past few quarters -- and likely for the first half of 2023 -- are more reflective of the suppliers differing in the depth and timing of their inventory corrections, rather than indicating sales-out share of the PC market, which is something we probably won't know with any accuracy until late in 2023. *

jackvalentine 4y ago
I’m guessing ‘SoC and IoT’ includes things like the CPUs in NAS appliances. I have noticed recently a huge proliferation of AMD Ryzen CPUs in these devices when a couple of years ago it was Celerons/Pentiums.
- chris37879 4y ago
  The Steamdeck's APU (and others using the same tech) are becoming more common, not sure if those count as 'desktop' or 'console' though...
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    Valve is the only user of the AMD "Van Gogh" APU. Other handhelds are using regular laptop parts. I think AMD originally pitched it for laptop makers since it was leaked in 2020: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-mobile-apus-for-2021-2022-detailed-first-navi2-igpu-coming-with-vangogh https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-mobile-apus-for-2021-2022-de... But I suspect they rejected it because they don't care about IGP performance, just as they rejected Intel's "Iris" Broadwell CPUs and the hybrid amd/intel chip.

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ilyt 4y ago

The Intel not making chips for any gaming console I'd imagine