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Apple to oranges. 12400 has a TDP of 65W while M1 has 13.8W. What can a 15W Intel do? Not much

unxdfa 4y ago
Don't really care. I use my MBP as a desktop machine and the TCO over 5 years including the electricity of the PC is much much lower.
- lillecarl 4y ago
  I use my 150$ hand crafted hammer to screw in screws, but it gets beaten by my 5$ screwdriver at screwing performance, shameful.
  - Groxx 4y ago
    To get an equivalent metaphor here, you'd have to include "the $5 screwdriver also destroys $300/year worth of projects more than the hammer-screw" And then yeah. Shamefully short-sighted to use the $5 tool.
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- bcrosby95 4y ago
  Using which equation? I run an 8 year old system76 laptop with a desktop grade CPU and my yearly electricity usage is about 100kwh (I measure pretty much all of our electrical usage), or $35. In my experience, the biggest electricity hog isn't gonna be your CPU, its gonna be your display(s), if you use any. I don't use any external monitors for my work setup.
  - unxdfa 4y ago
    The displays are a big part. I did a full breakdown here of costs if you are interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34812247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34812247
izacus 4y ago
That's not true at all, M1s in MacBooks absolutely draw more than 15W - they can go all the way up to 90W for whole package. M1 are silly efficient but not 10x magical: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  The equivalent Intel laptop is at 220W for both CPU and GPU in the same scenario. So no 10x, but clearly 2.5x.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    Well the (nominally) 15W 1260P is ahead of m1 and the 1280P is faster than the M2. Of course Apple still has better GPUs and is ahead in power efficiency.
    - manuelabeledo 4y ago
      The 1260P is rated at 28W, not 15W. It also has 4 more cores than the M2, and it could be considered way more expensive at $480 (the Mac Mini is selling at $600 in its base configuration, for example). Hardly comparable.
  - izacus 4y ago
    Yeah, doesn't really change the fact that 15W TDP claim is far from truth.
    - manuelabeledo 4y ago
      There is no such claim, though. Apple has published the power figures for some of their systems, and nowhere it says that they draw or dissipate 15W [0] [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897

Don't really care. I use my MBP as a desktop machine and the TCO over 5 years including the electricity of the PC is much much lower.

lillecarl 4y ago
I use my 150$ hand crafted hammer to screw in screws, but it gets beaten by my 5$ screwdriver at screwing performance, shameful.
- Groxx 4y ago
  To get an equivalent metaphor here, you'd have to include "the $5 screwdriver also destroys $300/year worth of projects more than the hammer-screw" And then yeah. Shamefully short-sighted to use the $5 tool.
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bcrosby95 4y ago
Using which equation? I run an 8 year old system76 laptop with a desktop grade CPU and my yearly electricity usage is about 100kwh (I measure pretty much all of our electrical usage), or $35. In my experience, the biggest electricity hog isn't gonna be your CPU, its gonna be your display(s), if you use any. I don't use any external monitors for my work setup.
- unxdfa 4y ago
  The displays are a big part. I did a full breakdown here of costs if you are interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34812247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34812247

izacus 4y ago

That's not true at all, M1s in MacBooks absolutely draw more than 15W - they can go all the way up to 90W for whole package. M1 are silly efficient but not 10x magical: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...

manuelabeledo 4y ago
The equivalent Intel laptop is at 220W for both CPU and GPU in the same scenario. So no 10x, but clearly 2.5x.
- qwytw 4y ago
  Well the (nominally) 15W 1260P is ahead of m1 and the 1280P is faster than the M2. Of course Apple still has better GPUs and is ahead in power efficiency.
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    The 1260P is rated at 28W, not 15W. It also has 4 more cores than the M2, and it could be considered way more expensive at $480 (the Mac Mini is selling at $600 in its base configuration, for example). Hardly comparable.
- izacus 4y ago
  Yeah, doesn't really change the fact that 15W TDP claim is far from truth.
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    There is no such claim, though. Apple has published the power figures for some of their systems, and nowhere it says that they draw or dissipate 15W [0] [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897