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Wouldn't the argument on the other side be that there are in fact gray areas when it comes to flight risk? That no one is 100% a flight risk or not a flight ri

Wouldn't the argument on the other side be that there are in fact gray areas when it comes to flight risk? That no one is 100% a flight risk or not a flight risk but rather there is a spectrum and the question is to what a degree they are a flight risk. In that world knowing that your parents will lose their home and you'll be directly responsible for powerful people losing significant sums of money if you run decreases (though can never totally eliminate) the odds of someone fleeing. Alternatively you could argue that discerning if someone is a flight risk or not is prohibitively difficult so their willingness to have their parents / acquaintances indebt themselves on their behalf is a good enough proxy for their intent?

ceejayoz 4y ago
If someone's enough of a flight risk to earn $250M bail, their position on said spectrum seems pretty clear. There's little evidence cash bail changes the calculus. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is-not-a-threat-to-public-safety/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is... (motivated, but well cited) > In places that have implemented cash bail reform, rates of pretrial re-arrest remain unchanged. > At the same time, numerous studies show pretrial incarceration has a “criminogenic effect,” meaning that it increases rather than decreases crime. One study found that cash bail assignment was associated with a 6 percent to 9 percent increase in recidivism. After 23 hours in pretrial incarceration, any additional time in detention has been “associated with a consistent and statistically significant increase in the likelihood of rearrest.” https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/2/21/22944871/new-york-bail-reform-controversy-eric-adams https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/2/21/22944871/new-york-bail-ref... > Garden State voters enacted their own bail reform laws in 2014 after a special committee studied the issue for nine months with a group of prosecutors, lawmakers and reformers. The law took full effect in 2017 and after 5 years of implementation, it has apparently achieved its purpose. The number of people imprisoned pre-trial on bail of $2,500 or less fell from more than 1,500 before the bail reform laws to just 14 people last year, according to the New Jersey court system. At the same time, the rate of people awaiting trial who commit additional “indictable offenses” has remained flat at 13.8%. And the appearance rate — how often people awaiting trial come back to court — increased slightly last year, from 90% in 2019 to 90.9% in 2020.
- CSMastermind 4y ago
  I don't think I'm informed enough to have a strong opinion on this topic, if anything I'd probably lean generally in the direction of reducing bail requirements but I do think it's important to point out: > If someone's enough of a flight risk to earn $250M bail, their position on said spectrum seems pretty clear. My understanding is that money was only one of many conditions of SBF's bail. Others included 24/7 onsite monitoring conducted by a third party at his expense. So at least in this specific case there's more to the story than just other guaranteeing the money for the cash portion of his bail.
eastbound 4y ago
If the alternative is life in prison, why would you care about the house of someone else? Why would you surrender and accept life in prison?

ceejayoz 4y ago

If someone's enough of a flight risk to earn $250M bail, their position on said spectrum seems pretty clear. There's little evidence cash bail changes the calculus. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is-not-a-threat-to-public-safety/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is... (motivated, but well cited) > In places that have implemented cash bail reform, rates of pretrial re-arrest remain unchanged. > At the same time, numerous studies show pretrial incarceration has a “criminogenic effect,” meaning that it increases rather than decreases crime. One study found that cash bail assignment was associated with a 6 percent to 9 percent increase in recidivism. After 23 hours in pretrial incarceration, any additional time in detention has been “associated with a consistent and statistically significant increase in the likelihood of rearrest.” https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/2/21/22944871/new-york-bail-reform-controversy-eric-adams https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/2/21/22944871/new-york-bail-ref... > Garden State voters enacted their own bail reform laws in 2014 after a special committee studied the issue for nine months with a group of prosecutors, lawmakers and reformers. The law took full effect in 2017 and after 5 years of implementation, it has apparently achieved its purpose. The number of people imprisoned pre-trial on bail of $2,500 or less fell from more than 1,500 before the bail reform laws to just 14 people last year, according to the New Jersey court system. At the same time, the rate of people awaiting trial who commit additional “indictable offenses” has remained flat at 13.8%. And the appearance rate — how often people awaiting trial come back to court — increased slightly last year, from 90% in 2019 to 90.9% in 2020.

CSMastermind 4y ago
I don't think I'm informed enough to have a strong opinion on this topic, if anything I'd probably lean generally in the direction of reducing bail requirements but I do think it's important to point out: > If someone's enough of a flight risk to earn $250M bail, their position on said spectrum seems pretty clear. My understanding is that money was only one of many conditions of SBF's bail. Others included 24/7 onsite monitoring conducted by a third party at his expense. So at least in this specific case there's more to the story than just other guaranteeing the money for the cash portion of his bail.

eastbound 4y ago

If the alternative is life in prison, why would you care about the house of someone else? Why would you surrender and accept life in prison?