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This is what actual privilege looks like. And it's based on class and social networks, not the color of your skin. But often the two are correlated.

by 99_00 4y ago

mistrial9 4y ago
you have not visited Stanford lately.. they specifically have every skin color on Earth.. because of criticism like that. Is the nepotism real? yes, but you cannot claim racial bias.. it is your own prejuidice showing
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SpaceManNabs 4y ago
> And it's based on class and social networks, not the color of your skin People within your socioeconomic class can be racist towards you and upper social mobility can be more difficult based on the color of your skin. This statement is laughably false. Yes as you get richer, skin color matters less, but it still does. You can just look at the games that rich black republicans have to play to stay in the club. The following is a bit of a rant so go ahead and ignore it if you wish: It is a bit wild to me how common sentiments like this are on hacker news, when so many people claim to be rationalist types. Then again, a group of mostly white people claiming systematic racism is gone in their so-called merit-based hierarchy should be expected.
- Pet_Ant 4y ago
  Also you can find classism within any race. I wonder what the relevant strength between the two is. I'm sure it's difficult to measure as they correlate, compound and reinforce each other.
  - SpaceManNabs 4y ago
    Absolutely. To say one is dominant or dismiss the other and generalize on SBF's situation is ridiculous.
- arandomhuman 4y ago
  > You can just look at the games that rich black republicans have to play to stay in the club. Not refuting what you are saying, but could you elaborate on this statement?
  - SpaceManNabs 4y ago
    Taking more extreme positions on things like means testing and policing. And also more unique positions, that seem completely unrelated to race but it happens. Herman cains run in 2011 is a great example. Carson did the unique position thing too. Highlighting the national stage but happens at state levels too.
- 99_00 4y ago
  >It is a bit wild to me how common sentiments like this are on hacker news, when so many people claim to be rationalist types. Then again, a group of mostly white people claiming systematic racism is gone in their so-called merit-based hierarchy should be expected. I'm not white. I don't believe we live in a merit-based hierarchy, especially for high status positions. Those go to less competent, connected, ideologically "correct" people. And the part you wrote before comes off as a bit of a rant also, with a lot of assumptions and cardboard cut out stereotypical view of politics. Both Republicans and Democrats serve the wealthy and powerful.
  - SpaceManNabs 4y ago
    Lots of assumptions and cardboard views by saying that limited social mobility and intra class racism still exist? Maybe one sentence but not “a lot” prior to my explicitly labeled rant.

This is what actual privilege looks like. And it's based on class and social networks, not the color of your skin. But often the two are correlated.

by 99_00 4y ago

This is what actual privilege looks like. And it's based on class and social networks, not the color of your skin. But often the two are correlated.

mistrial9 4y ago

you have not visited Stanford lately.. they specifically have every skin color on Earth.. because of criticism like that. Is the nepotism real? yes, but you cannot claim racial bias.. it is your own prejuidice showing

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SpaceManNabs 4y ago

> And it's based on class and social networks, not the color of your skin People within your socioeconomic class can be racist towards you and upper social mobility can be more difficult based on the color of your skin. This statement is laughably false. Yes as you get richer, skin color matters less, but it still does. You can just look at the games that rich black republicans have to play to stay in the club. The following is a bit of a rant so go ahead and ignore it if you wish: It is a bit wild to me how common sentiments like this are on hacker news, when so many people claim to be rationalist types. Then again, a group of mostly white people claiming systematic racism is gone in their so-called merit-based hierarchy should be expected.

Pet_Ant 4y ago
Also you can find classism within any race. I wonder what the relevant strength between the two is. I'm sure it's difficult to measure as they correlate, compound and reinforce each other.
- SpaceManNabs 4y ago
  Absolutely. To say one is dominant or dismiss the other and generalize on SBF's situation is ridiculous.
arandomhuman 4y ago
> You can just look at the games that rich black republicans have to play to stay in the club. Not refuting what you are saying, but could you elaborate on this statement?
- SpaceManNabs 4y ago
  Taking more extreme positions on things like means testing and policing. And also more unique positions, that seem completely unrelated to race but it happens. Herman cains run in 2011 is a great example. Carson did the unique position thing too. Highlighting the national stage but happens at state levels too.
99_00 4y ago
>It is a bit wild to me how common sentiments like this are on hacker news, when so many people claim to be rationalist types. Then again, a group of mostly white people claiming systematic racism is gone in their so-called merit-based hierarchy should be expected. I'm not white. I don't believe we live in a merit-based hierarchy, especially for high status positions. Those go to less competent, connected, ideologically "correct" people. And the part you wrote before comes off as a bit of a rant also, with a lot of assumptions and cardboard cut out stereotypical view of politics. Both Republicans and Democrats serve the wealthy and powerful.
- SpaceManNabs 4y ago
  Lots of assumptions and cardboard views by saying that limited social mobility and intra class racism still exist? Maybe one sentence but not “a lot” prior to my explicitly labeled rant.