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Snark: millions of petrol stations and vending machines manage to accept contactless or card payment without having to install the vendor’s app.

kwhitefoot 4y ago
Tesla cars don't need the app. Only non-Teslas because the makers are so useless.
- vel0city 4y ago
  There's an actually open (no patent pledge), non proprietary standard for signaling payment through charging infrastructure. Several non-Tesla manufacturers already sell cars with this standard, and there are a few non-Tesla charging networks which support it as well. Once again Tesla continues to push its proprietary systems instead of adopting the standards everyone else uses.
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    So which manufacturers and charging networks are they? All the owners of EVs that I know all bemoan the lack of any standardization. The only actual standard seems likely to be pushed through seems to be that in Germany (and I think Norway) all chargers will soon be required to accept card payments. Not sure how this will work with the low power AC chargers that already exist and that use NFC/RFID tags or a phone app, perhaps AC chargers will not have to follow that standard. And it will, presumably, require Tesla to retrofit some kind of user interface to the charging stall. That seems a bit stupid when every car that can connect has a screen that could easily do the job. And lastly, did this open system exist when Tesla started building their charging network?
    - vel0city 4y ago
      The standard is ISO 15118. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 Volkswagon, Ford, Mercedes, Lucid, and Rivian have all standardized on this to negotiate payment. Electrify America and a few others have already implemented this standard in their chargers. The vast majority of times I've had to charge at a public charger, plug and charge negotiated the payment without issue. I do not drive a Tesla. > And it will, presumably, require Tesla to retrofit some kind of user interface to the charging stall. That seems a bit stupid when every car that can connect has a screen that could easily do the job. If they supported the industry standard instead of only their proprietary standard, they wouldn't need to.

kwhitefoot 4y ago

Tesla cars don't need the app. Only non-Teslas because the makers are so useless.

vel0city 4y ago
There's an actually open (no patent pledge), non proprietary standard for signaling payment through charging infrastructure. Several non-Tesla manufacturers already sell cars with this standard, and there are a few non-Tesla charging networks which support it as well. Once again Tesla continues to push its proprietary systems instead of adopting the standards everyone else uses.
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  So which manufacturers and charging networks are they? All the owners of EVs that I know all bemoan the lack of any standardization. The only actual standard seems likely to be pushed through seems to be that in Germany (and I think Norway) all chargers will soon be required to accept card payments. Not sure how this will work with the low power AC chargers that already exist and that use NFC/RFID tags or a phone app, perhaps AC chargers will not have to follow that standard. And it will, presumably, require Tesla to retrofit some kind of user interface to the charging stall. That seems a bit stupid when every car that can connect has a screen that could easily do the job. And lastly, did this open system exist when Tesla started building their charging network?
  - vel0city 4y ago
    The standard is ISO 15118. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 Volkswagon, Ford, Mercedes, Lucid, and Rivian have all standardized on this to negotiate payment. Electrify America and a few others have already implemented this standard in their chargers. The vast majority of times I've had to charge at a public charger, plug and charge negotiated the payment without issue. I do not drive a Tesla. > And it will, presumably, require Tesla to retrofit some kind of user interface to the charging stall. That seems a bit stupid when every car that can connect has a screen that could easily do the job. If they supported the industry standard instead of only their proprietary standard, they wouldn't need to.