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> If Russia were to physically disrupt a country's social services by force, it would be an act of war If the Russian STATE did this yes. But we don't generall

> If Russia were to physically disrupt a country's social services by force, it would be an act of war If the Russian STATE did this yes. But we don't generally consider the act of citizens/organizations/criminal enterprises within a state as a state action unless it's clearly state sponsored. You definitely could make that argument, but it's not a given. For example, we don't consider the 3000 British people fighting alongside Ukraine against the Russians [1] to be part of the UK state, so their fighting isn't an act of war either. [1] https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-3-000-british-volunteers-fighting-on-ukrainian-side-against-russia-says-georgian-commander-12633139 https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-3-000-british-volunte...

f38zf5vdt 4y ago
Plausible deniability only gets a country so far. In historical terms state-sponsored terrorism has warranted military action when the severity evolves enough. It's hard to consider British soldiers fighting for Ukrainian sovereignty in the same realm as disrupting children's hospitals. [1][2] I had read that one of the attacks had disrupted imaging systems and prevented diagnoses from being reached, delaying treatments. [1] https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/fbi-disrupts-hive-ransomware-hospitals-among-those-spared https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/fbi-disrupts-hive-rans... [2] https://therecord.media/canadas-largest-childrens-hospital-struggles-to-recover-from-pre-christmas-ransomware-attack/ https://therecord.media/canadas-largest-childrens-hospital-s...
robotnikman 4y ago
I have no doubt that the Russian government has been taking its cut from criminals deploying ransomware in their country, and only going after criminals who don't provide their share. Even more so with Russia trying to fund an ongoing war where they are losing a lot of equipment and men.
- snapcaster 4y ago
  Its so crazy to say something like "i have no doubt" about something you don't seem to have any experience or expertise in

f38zf5vdt 4y ago

Plausible deniability only gets a country so far. In historical terms state-sponsored terrorism has warranted military action when the severity evolves enough. It's hard to consider British soldiers fighting for Ukrainian sovereignty in the same realm as disrupting children's hospitals. [1][2] I had read that one of the attacks had disrupted imaging systems and prevented diagnoses from being reached, delaying treatments. [1] https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/fbi-disrupts-hive-ransomware-hospitals-among-those-spared https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/fbi-disrupts-hive-rans... [2] https://therecord.media/canadas-largest-childrens-hospital-struggles-to-recover-from-pre-christmas-ransomware-attack/ https://therecord.media/canadas-largest-childrens-hospital-s...

robotnikman 4y ago

I have no doubt that the Russian government has been taking its cut from criminals deploying ransomware in their country, and only going after criminals who don't provide their share. Even more so with Russia trying to fund an ongoing war where they are losing a lot of equipment and men.

snapcaster 4y ago
Its so crazy to say something like "i have no doubt" about something you don't seem to have any experience or expertise in