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That sounds nice but is there a case when 'strong men' created good times? The example that I see people gravitate toward here is how soldiers coming back from
by zwkrt 4y ago
That sounds nice but is there a case when 'strong men' created good times? The example that I see people gravitate toward here is how soldiers coming back from WW2 in the US 'created' a society of unprecedented prosperity. But this of course ignores almost every single external factor that precipitated this prosperity, ignores that the prosperity was for a minority of people (both in the US and /especially/ globally), and the fact that war does not in fact make people stronger but tends to break them down. Ask your nearest vet.
This just sounds like a factoid upholding an antiquated ideal of masculinity.
- carom 4y agoMasculinity is not an antiquated idea. It is an identity for a huge amount of the population and it is quite nice when you embrace it.
- sanderjd 4y agoThe comment you replied to didn't say that masculinity is an antiquated idea. It said that an ideal of masculinity is antiquated; that is, one particular ideal of masculinity, not the idea in its entirety. You may disagree with that too, which is fine, but it's a different thing than you responded to. Different people see themselves in different ideals of masculinity.
- Izkata 4y agoIt's the meme version of Strauss-Howe Generational Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory?useskin=vector#Turnings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio...
- akomtu 4y agoWhy is everyone here so worried about masculinity? The "strong men" in that quote are those with strong will. Physical strength is secondary. The weak men are those with weak will. A successful enterprise, be it a company or an entire nation, always has a few of strong willed founders, with a vision and ability to inspire others. It creates prosperity for members of that enterprise. And every time such enterprises wither and die in the hands of weak willed risk-averse mediocrity.