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I'm not following. Who is moving to such a model? Yes Tesla should be paid if they're being forced to subsidize their competitors. The entire point of Tesla's

I'm not following. Who is moving to such a model? Yes Tesla should be paid if they're being forced to subsidize their competitors. The entire point of Tesla's charging system is that it's non-profit making. It's based on the idea that it's acts as a value-add to Tesla vehicles. If Tesla is going to allow access to competitors, then yes Tesla needs to be paid for that access, or charge differential rates between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.

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clouddrover 4y ago
> Yes Tesla should be paid if they're being forced to subsidize their competitors The way Tesla gets paid is by users paying for the charge. It isn't complicated.
- mlindner 4y ago
  Tesla prices are usually cheaper than any other EV charging station (or free). From my understanding they charge a little bit above local electricity rates enough to cover maintenance costs. Are you making the argument that non-Teslas should be charged more than Tesla users. I'm fine with that but I think that wouldn't be allowed under this new provision.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    I'm making the argument that all brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less is backward, primitive, and simply dumb infrastructure. In Europe, Tesla charges Tesla drivers less for charging and other drivers more. Tesla also has membership pricing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ Other charging networks also have brand specific deals and membership pricing.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      > I'm making the argument that all brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less is backward, primitive, and simply dumb infrastructure. Okay but this is a theoretical statement and doesn't really jive with the current existing environment. This is a goal, not a method to achieve it.
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        The method to achieve it is to put CCS on your car and charge on any charger. There is no mystery here. This is not theoretical. It's the practical reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WjeH3I8p8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WjeH3I8p8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPIhazPcY64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPIhazPcY64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=theiiFWydmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=theiiFWydmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G30iqWzEe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G30iqWzEe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUZfGMqv_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUZfGMqv_g

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clouddrover 4y ago

> Yes Tesla should be paid if they're being forced to subsidize their competitors The way Tesla gets paid is by users paying for the charge. It isn't complicated.

mlindner 4y ago
Tesla prices are usually cheaper than any other EV charging station (or free). From my understanding they charge a little bit above local electricity rates enough to cover maintenance costs. Are you making the argument that non-Teslas should be charged more than Tesla users. I'm fine with that but I think that wouldn't be allowed under this new provision.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  I'm making the argument that all brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less is backward, primitive, and simply dumb infrastructure. In Europe, Tesla charges Tesla drivers less for charging and other drivers more. Tesla also has membership pricing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ Other charging networks also have brand specific deals and membership pricing.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    > I'm making the argument that all brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less is backward, primitive, and simply dumb infrastructure. Okay but this is a theoretical statement and doesn't really jive with the current existing environment. This is a goal, not a method to achieve it.
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      The method to achieve it is to put CCS on your car and charge on any charger. There is no mystery here. This is not theoretical. It's the practical reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WjeH3I8p8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WjeH3I8p8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPIhazPcY64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPIhazPcY64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=theiiFWydmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=theiiFWydmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G30iqWzEe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G30iqWzEe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUZfGMqv_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUZfGMqv_g