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Why shouldn’t he complain about it though? If nobody complains there’s no chance things will change. Sure people could vote with their feet, but not everyone is

Why shouldn’t he complain about it though? If nobody complains there’s no chance things will change. Sure people could vote with their feet, but not everyone is willing to do that. They should still be allowed to ask for improvements.

PedroBatista 4y ago
I agree he has the right to complain, I call Apple "bad names" most of the time I log into App Store Connect! But.. We also need to have some perspective. They will not change unless the incentive is there and even then they fight it with all their strengths ( ex: other payment services used to sell in-app stuff ) And frankly why are "we" so invested in changing Apple? They suck? they don't threat you well? Then fuck them.
stakhanov 4y ago
But his unwillingness to vote with his feet is the actual message here. He's basically saying: Here are the horrible things that Apple is doing to me and yet I'm still giving them my money and investing myself in their developer ecosystem. That's how much I love them, for some reason that remains unstated in the article. That's what the parent commenter alluded to: There's some really weird psychology happening here, and that's the piece that's actually interesting.
- dns_snek 4y ago
  I don't think that's fair assessment, it's equivalent to saying "You complain about the medical system and yet you still go to the hospital". It's not much of a choice - and yes - Android exists, but in a duopoly of 2 shitty choices, Android is arguably the shittier one. Yes, you can install arbitrary apps there, but then you lose much more of your privacy, security, and long term support. Voting with your feet doesn't work when every company in the segment is equally bad or very likely to become equally bad in short order.
- threeseed 4y ago
  I think people here need to stop questioning people's psychology. It's offensive and unnecessary. You can be critical of Apple's App Store policies and still want to take advantage of the unique features of the platform.
- rnk 4y ago
  There's no reason that Apple people can't move to Android, it's stubborn resistance. Just like Android people don't want to move to Apple for "reasons". But they love what they have. I use android but I want to figure out how to block Google from spying better.
  - _trackno5 4y ago
    Of course there are plenty of reasons not to move to android. If you're used to Apple's ecosystem (laptop, tablet), your family also uses apple devices, etc it is not convenient to move to a platform that doesn't have all of the same conveniences. Sure you may be able to get the same things done, but it's not convenient. doesn't mean people can't complain and want something better. People are allowed to just plain not like android. You don't give shit to people because they don't like to dress the same way you do.
- rchaud 4y ago
  > There's some really weird psychology happening here Sunk cost mentality. They have invested time and resources into learning a whole platform, only to find that it is not suitable for use, and they have to start all over again somewhere else.
- NoLinkToMe 4y ago
  Meh, bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Literally every bad thing that happens in one's life, triggering a complaint, could be met by the response: 'then just vote with your feet.' Bad marriage? Find another partner. Bad employer? Find a different job. Crappy friends? Ditch em and try another. Of course that's an option that should always be on the table. But I hope you agree the first approach is to try to fix things, to try to start a dialogue, to raise awareness and come up with solutions. It adds little to the conversation to just say: 'why don't you just ditch it altogether?' It's lazy and in fact it's often bad advise to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Apple provides tremendous value to its customer base (hence the trillion dollar market value, that isn't just from consumer charity or corporate monopoly, but mostly from real value) and having to pay $8 a month for the 0.1% of Apple users who build Apps but don't distribute and cannot be bothered to renew a weekly certificate, is generally not a good enough reason to exclude yourself from using one of the world's most mainstream personal computing & communications platforms.
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PedroBatista 4y ago

I agree he has the right to complain, I call Apple "bad names" most of the time I log into App Store Connect! But.. We also need to have some perspective. They will not change unless the incentive is there and even then they fight it with all their strengths ( ex: other payment services used to sell in-app stuff ) And frankly why are "we" so invested in changing Apple? They suck? they don't threat you well? Then fuck them.

stakhanov 4y ago

But his unwillingness to vote with his feet is the actual message here. He's basically saying: Here are the horrible things that Apple is doing to me and yet I'm still giving them my money and investing myself in their developer ecosystem. That's how much I love them, for some reason that remains unstated in the article. That's what the parent commenter alluded to: There's some really weird psychology happening here, and that's the piece that's actually interesting.

dns_snek 4y ago
I don't think that's fair assessment, it's equivalent to saying "You complain about the medical system and yet you still go to the hospital". It's not much of a choice - and yes - Android exists, but in a duopoly of 2 shitty choices, Android is arguably the shittier one. Yes, you can install arbitrary apps there, but then you lose much more of your privacy, security, and long term support. Voting with your feet doesn't work when every company in the segment is equally bad or very likely to become equally bad in short order.
threeseed 4y ago
I think people here need to stop questioning people's psychology. It's offensive and unnecessary. You can be critical of Apple's App Store policies and still want to take advantage of the unique features of the platform.
rnk 4y ago
There's no reason that Apple people can't move to Android, it's stubborn resistance. Just like Android people don't want to move to Apple for "reasons". But they love what they have. I use android but I want to figure out how to block Google from spying better.
- _trackno5 4y ago
  Of course there are plenty of reasons not to move to android. If you're used to Apple's ecosystem (laptop, tablet), your family also uses apple devices, etc it is not convenient to move to a platform that doesn't have all of the same conveniences. Sure you may be able to get the same things done, but it's not convenient. doesn't mean people can't complain and want something better. People are allowed to just plain not like android. You don't give shit to people because they don't like to dress the same way you do.
rchaud 4y ago
> There's some really weird psychology happening here Sunk cost mentality. They have invested time and resources into learning a whole platform, only to find that it is not suitable for use, and they have to start all over again somewhere else.
NoLinkToMe 4y ago
Meh, bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Literally every bad thing that happens in one's life, triggering a complaint, could be met by the response: 'then just vote with your feet.' Bad marriage? Find another partner. Bad employer? Find a different job. Crappy friends? Ditch em and try another. Of course that's an option that should always be on the table. But I hope you agree the first approach is to try to fix things, to try to start a dialogue, to raise awareness and come up with solutions. It adds little to the conversation to just say: 'why don't you just ditch it altogether?' It's lazy and in fact it's often bad advise to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Apple provides tremendous value to its customer base (hence the trillion dollar market value, that isn't just from consumer charity or corporate monopoly, but mostly from real value) and having to pay $8 a month for the 0.1% of Apple users who build Apps but don't distribute and cannot be bothered to renew a weekly certificate, is generally not a good enough reason to exclude yourself from using one of the world's most mainstream personal computing & communications platforms.

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