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Interesting, I know that some middle-aged people do get flu shots but never met one. To me it's something the elderly need. I'm raised with the notion that a li

Interesting, I know that some middle-aged people do get flu shots but never met one. To me it's something the elderly need. I'm raised with the notion that a little bacteria now and then is only good for me. My vaccine is the disease. But don't get me wrong, I don't blame anyone who got the shot, I'm questioning those in power who had the same data I did but still claimed it was so necessary for everyone and their mother to get vaccinated or the world would go to shit. If you looked at the numbers it was just a bad flu season. They definitely knew because I knew, from their own official data. And to my knowledge no other country than the US is pushing it to kids below 12. But I've let it go, it's no longer a thing and I was lucky enough to dodge any mandates. This thread started with me pointing out the revisionism in claiming democrats are the right people to get to the bottom of the origin. I'm not getting into the details of if/when mRNA started testing and roll-outs.

hotpotamus 4y ago
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/flu.html I had not had occasion to look into it, but the US CDC recommends flu shots starting at 6 months. From a quick search, it looks like EU guidelines differ a bit but some do encourage that children and the elderly get it. To me it was always just one of those things responsible members of society do - pay for your car registration, go to the dentist, keep your area clean, get your shots, etc... I'm far from 100% on all that stuff, but the vaccines never struck me as being all that far out of line - maintaining my car is more expense and trouble than that at least, and I hate going to the dentist. But I fail to see how my flu vaccination needs would change if it turned out that the flu had been somehow a creation of a foreign nation. I don't know who "the right people" are to get to the bottom of the origin of Covid, but if it is Republicans, then I doubt their motives are for a blameless post-mortem style investigation that ends with a list of plausible recommendations for improvements in response to future pandemics. That skepticism was were I got started.
- worksonmine 4y ago
  Still with blaming a foreign nation. I already answered that. Look into Fauci and Daszak, gain-of-function and everything related. It's a rabbit hole I know but you have to ask the question to understand where the other side comes from. Dazsak himself even mentioned his conflicting interest when he was appointed by the WHO to investigate if his own lab was the source of the leak. And the democrats did everything they could to suppress this and calling anyone curious a conspiracy theorists. All because the bad evil Republicans made the claims first. The same conspiracies that are now pretty mainstream and many people backing down from earlier claims. Try to be less partisan and get to the bottom of the truth. My conclusions as I mentioned are sinister, and very ugly. And the entire world media dancing to the same tune just reinforces that. I don't want to believe this but it's the only explanation I see, I don't believe they're incompetent, they're evil... For many it was just the right-thing-to-do™ (how many times has that been used throughout history), but those pulling the strings are different. And they're not partisan, they play both sides.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    Let's say I cast aside all partisan and national interests sufficiently and actually get to the bottom of the truth - how would I live my life any differently in response to this truth?
    - worksonmine 4y ago
      That's a question much bigger than covid. I would like our elected to fix the accountability for us, but they don't since the accountable are their donors and friends. So the last resort was added to your constitution. We all want to avoid it but how long are we going to stay occupied fighting over bullshit reasons while some live like gods on everyone's expense without even a slap on the wrist? Oh this dictator likes Putin to much we have to replace him with this other guy. For centuries it's been like this. Is it ever going to change? Probably not, one can hope though. If you're asking me what you can do today? Put higher standards on truth from your allies than your enemies is a good first step. A lot of people today just regurgitate whatever is the topic of the month making the exact same points never questioning the source. Orange man bad, Biden is senile, bla bla bla. You're the most powerful nation in the world start acting like it instead of bullying any country that opposes your truth into submission.

hotpotamus 4y ago

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/flu.html I had not had occasion to look into it, but the US CDC recommends flu shots starting at 6 months. From a quick search, it looks like EU guidelines differ a bit but some do encourage that children and the elderly get it. To me it was always just one of those things responsible members of society do - pay for your car registration, go to the dentist, keep your area clean, get your shots, etc... I'm far from 100% on all that stuff, but the vaccines never struck me as being all that far out of line - maintaining my car is more expense and trouble than that at least, and I hate going to the dentist. But I fail to see how my flu vaccination needs would change if it turned out that the flu had been somehow a creation of a foreign nation. I don't know who "the right people" are to get to the bottom of the origin of Covid, but if it is Republicans, then I doubt their motives are for a blameless post-mortem style investigation that ends with a list of plausible recommendations for improvements in response to future pandemics. That skepticism was were I got started.

worksonmine 4y ago
Still with blaming a foreign nation. I already answered that. Look into Fauci and Daszak, gain-of-function and everything related. It's a rabbit hole I know but you have to ask the question to understand where the other side comes from. Dazsak himself even mentioned his conflicting interest when he was appointed by the WHO to investigate if his own lab was the source of the leak. And the democrats did everything they could to suppress this and calling anyone curious a conspiracy theorists. All because the bad evil Republicans made the claims first. The same conspiracies that are now pretty mainstream and many people backing down from earlier claims. Try to be less partisan and get to the bottom of the truth. My conclusions as I mentioned are sinister, and very ugly. And the entire world media dancing to the same tune just reinforces that. I don't want to believe this but it's the only explanation I see, I don't believe they're incompetent, they're evil... For many it was just the right-thing-to-do™ (how many times has that been used throughout history), but those pulling the strings are different. And they're not partisan, they play both sides.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  Let's say I cast aside all partisan and national interests sufficiently and actually get to the bottom of the truth - how would I live my life any differently in response to this truth?
  - worksonmine 4y ago
    That's a question much bigger than covid. I would like our elected to fix the accountability for us, but they don't since the accountable are their donors and friends. So the last resort was added to your constitution. We all want to avoid it but how long are we going to stay occupied fighting over bullshit reasons while some live like gods on everyone's expense without even a slap on the wrist? Oh this dictator likes Putin to much we have to replace him with this other guy. For centuries it's been like this. Is it ever going to change? Probably not, one can hope though. If you're asking me what you can do today? Put higher standards on truth from your allies than your enemies is a good first step. A lot of people today just regurgitate whatever is the topic of the month making the exact same points never questioning the source. Orange man bad, Biden is senile, bla bla bla. You're the most powerful nation in the world start acting like it instead of bullying any country that opposes your truth into submission.