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So...couple things. 1) I am jealous you live somewhere where nuclear is an option. In most states in the US, nuclear power is decreasing. 2) Natural gas isn't

by slenk 4y ago

So...couple things. 1) I am jealous you live somewhere where nuclear is an option. In most states in the US, nuclear power is decreasing. 2) Natural gas isn't any better than coal. 3) Coal won't go away as long as conservatives are in power in the house - they love coal. 4) I think ICE vs Electric greatly depends on how much you use your car. I drive maybe once or twice a week, only city - I am going to be constantly having to charge my car since the battery will go dead if you leave it unplugged in cold weather (Michigan). A tank of gas lasts me for like 3 months. There is no way EV would be better for the environment.

jeromegv 4y ago
> 3) Coal won't go away as long as conservatives are in power in the house - they love coal. Doesn't matter what politicians think. As long as they don't start giving coal away or pure subsidies for it, if coal keeps being more expensive than natural gas, its share will keep going down. The force of the market decides.
- slenk 4y ago
  And the more natural gas, the more methane that is leaked into the atmosphere, which is a much stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
vel0city 4y ago
Coal will continue to decline if its unprofitable to run the coal plants, which it often is. If open to market forces, which in my state it probably is too open to market forces but that's another story, things like coal will die out compared to renewables and natural gas. And, yes, natural gas while it has its issues is still better than coal. Even with the leakages, which theoretically could be fixed. Coal causes a bigger nuclear issue than nuclear power plants. There's so many ways in which natural gas is better than coal, but I do agree natural gas still has climate change impacts and is ultimately non-renewable and not sustainable for much longer timescales. As for your car, you may not drive it many miles. But you're going to sell it eventually I'd imagine. And then that person is going to probably drive an average usage on it. So that car is probably still going to end up hitting its break even point unless you only end up driving it 10,000mi and then crush it after you're done with it.
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
Just FYI I drive my EV that much in an urban area (with the occasional longer drive for outdoor activities, trips, or buying used things far away) and there's no way the battery will discharge in that time. My previous 25 year old ICE car was always in danger of the battery discharging because I didn't drive long enough to charge it from the engine.

by slenk 4y ago

jeromegv 4y ago

> 3) Coal won't go away as long as conservatives are in power in the house - they love coal. Doesn't matter what politicians think. As long as they don't start giving coal away or pure subsidies for it, if coal keeps being more expensive than natural gas, its share will keep going down. The force of the market decides.

slenk 4y ago
And the more natural gas, the more methane that is leaked into the atmosphere, which is a much stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

vel0city 4y ago

Coal will continue to decline if its unprofitable to run the coal plants, which it often is. If open to market forces, which in my state it probably is too open to market forces but that's another story, things like coal will die out compared to renewables and natural gas. And, yes, natural gas while it has its issues is still better than coal. Even with the leakages, which theoretically could be fixed. Coal causes a bigger nuclear issue than nuclear power plants. There's so many ways in which natural gas is better than coal, but I do agree natural gas still has climate change impacts and is ultimately non-renewable and not sustainable for much longer timescales. As for your car, you may not drive it many miles. But you're going to sell it eventually I'd imagine. And then that person is going to probably drive an average usage on it. So that car is probably still going to end up hitting its break even point unless you only end up driving it 10,000mi and then crush it after you're done with it.

Karrot_Kream 4y ago

Just FYI I drive my EV that much in an urban area (with the occasional longer drive for outdoor activities, trips, or buying used things far away) and there's no way the battery will discharge in that time. My previous 25 year old ICE car was always in danger of the battery discharging because I didn't drive long enough to charge it from the engine.