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The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money is if some metrics apparatus was created by the United States and income outcomes were traced ba

The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money is if some metrics apparatus was created by the United States and income outcomes were traced back to individual schools and teachers in said schools got some portion of that as part of their salary. Of course, the USA would have to bootstrap the first "cohort" of this. Otherwise, the point is simple - good teachers don't get paid more, because there's nothing you can point at to justify giving them more money, because the money that comes from the municipality (to fund the school and consequently the teacher) has nothing to do with the outcome. --- It's sad that the "privatize school", or "school voucher" discussion has become so corrupted by politics. Regardless of whether or not you agree with it, or not, it's worth critically thinking about and whether the implications of that kind of change are good or bad, and why.

tsgagnon 4y ago
I'm not sure how you reward outcomes of teaching without also actively discouraging teachers from taking positions at any school that could be seen as "struggling" from an academic perspective.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  There are plenty of ways you could do it. The simplest is that you could normalize by the area.
hammock 4y ago
>The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money Public school teachers already make more than private school teachers. Their salaries are propped up by governments and unions
stefan_ 4y ago
Funny, this doesn't seem to be in place for other government employees yet they make much more. Nor in the "meritocratic" "free economy".
ethbr0 4y ago
Later life success over median replacement value seems like a nice bonus structure for retirement. E.g. statistically normalize cohort (income, etc.), measure their median outcomes, and then see how the teacher's cohort does It'll be dirty, given the small sample size and number of variables, but it'd be a nice bonus +/- to retirement. I'd also hazard prior student reviews, sampled when they turn 30 & 40 would be very interesting.
IceHegel 4y ago
I'm not sure if anyone has tried doing this as a going concern, but economists have done a pretty convincing (IMO) analysis of teachers value-add ex post. The most well known is the 2014 Raj Chetty paper. Seems to support your view. https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/aer.104.9.2633 https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/aer.104.9.2633

tsgagnon 4y ago

I'm not sure how you reward outcomes of teaching without also actively discouraging teachers from taking positions at any school that could be seen as "struggling" from an academic perspective.

endisneigh 4y ago
There are plenty of ways you could do it. The simplest is that you could normalize by the area.

hammock 4y ago

>The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money Public school teachers already make more than private school teachers. Their salaries are propped up by governments and unions

stefan_ 4y ago

Funny, this doesn't seem to be in place for other government employees yet they make much more. Nor in the "meritocratic" "free economy".

ethbr0 4y ago

Later life success over median replacement value seems like a nice bonus structure for retirement. E.g. statistically normalize cohort (income, etc.), measure their median outcomes, and then see how the teacher's cohort does It'll be dirty, given the small sample size and number of variables, but it'd be a nice bonus +/- to retirement. I'd also hazard prior student reviews, sampled when they turn 30 & 40 would be very interesting.

IceHegel 4y ago

I'm not sure if anyone has tried doing this as a going concern, but economists have done a pretty convincing (IMO) analysis of teachers value-add ex post. The most well known is the 2014 Raj Chetty paper. Seems to support your view. https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/aer.104.9.2633 https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/aer.104.9.2633