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It's $8.25/mo if you save up for it each year.

fulafel 4y ago
Let's say you are from Egypt (~$1400 median income) or South Africa (~1600). You have already saved for a long time to get a used iPhone for $100. It might be possible with enough effort but you can't say it's not a big barrier.
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  If you can find any Apple developers from Egypt or South Africa making median wage, I will happily pay for their yearly developer fees. Good luck.
  - fulafel 4y ago
    It's about not gatekeeping the people who are future devs, wanting to learn, want to try making their own hobby apps to share with others, maybe prospective employers. Also, the credit card requirement brought up in a sibling comment is a barrier.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      > It's about not gatekeeping the people who are future devs, wanting to learn, want to try making their own hobby apps to share with others, maybe prospective employers I assure you that Apple and this developer program has very little do to with the barriers those folks face.
ib33 4y ago
That is 20% of the monthly minimum wage in some countries.
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  > if you are truly spending time with the platform I don't think folks who make $500 a month are going to have an Apple computer and the time to develop. Why are you using illogical examples to make your point?
  - ib33 4y ago
    A few years ago I was earning less than $500 a month (based on exchange rates), had an Apple computer (years behind the latest) and had time to develop. I've left the country now. If I remember correctly, I discovered this timeout existed when I tried to show someone a mobile game I had built with Unity3d. Privilege is blinding.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      Exceptions are not rules. Perhaps you are just blind to the fact that I _offered_ to pay for anyone's Apple developer fees in a similar situation to yours. Pretty ridiculous all around, you'll stay poor with a mindset like that.
      - ib33 4y ago
        Now they're just exceptions? You couldn't even think of the existence of exceptions earlier. See the problem? The Apple world is designed to work in a certain way and that is ok but people are saying some exceptions exist and those exceptions should be 'handled' instead of assuming they don't exist. Also, to be clear - I said I was earning $500 a month a few years ago. At that point, I could afford the $99 fee but discovered the superficial constraint imposed on local development in an unexpected situation. The figure is also beyond the minimum wage I mentioned earlier. Essentially, your $500 hard line doesn't reflect how people can adjust their cost structures depending on their local economy, preferences and ambition. I initially ignored your offer because I'm not from the two countries mentioned. There's a dev talent program I know of that occasionally gives out PCs and Macs to people who are getting started in tech but can't even afford a decent PC/Mac - can I link you up so you can donate? I'm sure they can also target those that have already benefitted from the free devices to meet your specific intent.

Let's say you are from Egypt (~$1400 median income) or South Africa (~1600). You have already saved for a long time to get a used iPhone for $100. It might be possible with enough effort but you can't say it's not a big barrier.

bobleeswagger 4y ago
If you can find any Apple developers from Egypt or South Africa making median wage, I will happily pay for their yearly developer fees. Good luck.
- fulafel 4y ago
  It's about not gatekeeping the people who are future devs, wanting to learn, want to try making their own hobby apps to share with others, maybe prospective employers. Also, the credit card requirement brought up in a sibling comment is a barrier.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    > It's about not gatekeeping the people who are future devs, wanting to learn, want to try making their own hobby apps to share with others, maybe prospective employers I assure you that Apple and this developer program has very little do to with the barriers those folks face.

ib33 4y ago

That is 20% of the monthly minimum wage in some countries.

bobleeswagger 4y ago
> if you are truly spending time with the platform I don't think folks who make $500 a month are going to have an Apple computer and the time to develop. Why are you using illogical examples to make your point?
- ib33 4y ago
  A few years ago I was earning less than $500 a month (based on exchange rates), had an Apple computer (years behind the latest) and had time to develop. I've left the country now. If I remember correctly, I discovered this timeout existed when I tried to show someone a mobile game I had built with Unity3d. Privilege is blinding.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    Exceptions are not rules. Perhaps you are just blind to the fact that I _offered_ to pay for anyone's Apple developer fees in a similar situation to yours. Pretty ridiculous all around, you'll stay poor with a mindset like that.
    - ib33 4y ago
      Now they're just exceptions? You couldn't even think of the existence of exceptions earlier. See the problem? The Apple world is designed to work in a certain way and that is ok but people are saying some exceptions exist and those exceptions should be 'handled' instead of assuming they don't exist. Also, to be clear - I said I was earning $500 a month a few years ago. At that point, I could afford the $99 fee but discovered the superficial constraint imposed on local development in an unexpected situation. The figure is also beyond the minimum wage I mentioned earlier. Essentially, your $500 hard line doesn't reflect how people can adjust their cost structures depending on their local economy, preferences and ambition. I initially ignored your offer because I'm not from the two countries mentioned. There's a dev talent program I know of that occasionally gives out PCs and Macs to people who are getting started in tech but can't even afford a decent PC/Mac - can I link you up so you can donate? I'm sure they can also target those that have already benefitted from the free devices to meet your specific intent.