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Precious space? Its a pretty big continent.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Precious space? Its a pretty big continent That you can't farm on. The farmable bits are in protected, heated shelters that are expensive to build and maintain.
- otabdeveloper4 4y ago
  It's roughly a million times easier to grow food on the South Pole than it is to grow it on Mars.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > a million times easier to grow food on the South Pole than it is to grow it on Mars And it's a million easier still to import it. So apart from hydroponics for treats and research, it's not a problem worth solving.
    - el_nahual 4y ago
      > it's not a problem worth solving. Exactly. Farming on mars is not a problem worth solving.
      - sneak 4y ago
        The people who will be born there will likely not agree with you.
      - insane_dreamer 4y ago
        Resupply latencies not exactly comparable. So I would say that yes, farming on Mars is a problem worth solving, and one that will be solved once there's a need to do so (that doesn't mean it will be easy or inexpensive).
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > Exactly. Farming on mars is not a problem worth solving I know you're being flippant, but this is a textbook propositional fallacy. (Affirming a disjunct [1], I think.) In summary, you argue: farming on Antarctica is difficult, so we import food instead. Farming on Mars is difficult, but we don't want to import food. Herego, we shouldn't farm on Mars or bother with it at all. Alternatively, if X (farming is difficult), Y (farm) or Z (import). You're arguing neither Y or Z by, implicitly, rejecting Z. That doesn't make sense. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct
      - 1659447091 4y ago
        Exactly. We need replicators[0], problem solved. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek)
  - mlindner 4y ago
    On Mars you have soil you can process into something plants can use (note: needs to be washed free of its perchlorate contamination first) whereas at the South Pole there is no soil that is not buried under hundreds of meters of ice. You can't just create a heated greenhouse on top of the ice because it will melt the ice underneath. They've already done tests where they've grown plants in Martial soil simulant.
    - floxy 4y ago
      >at the South Pole there is no soil that is not buried under hundreds of meters of ice. https://www.scenic.com.au/news/seasons-of-antarctica https://www.scenic.com.au/news/seasons-of-antarctica https://www.antarctica.gov.au/news/2015/scientists-heading-to-antarctica-to-study-the-continent-as-it-wakes-from-winter/ https://www.antarctica.gov.au/news/2015/scientists-heading-t... https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-antarctica-managed-to-recorded-a-20-75-c-day-last-month https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-antarctica-managed-t...
      - mlindner 4y ago
        South pole. I'm not talking about Antarctica as a whole. There's plenty of areas on Antarctica's coast where small plants/lichen grow.
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> Precious space? Its a pretty big continent That you can't farm on. The farmable bits are in protected, heated shelters that are expensive to build and maintain.

otabdeveloper4 4y ago
It's roughly a million times easier to grow food on the South Pole than it is to grow it on Mars.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > a million times easier to grow food on the South Pole than it is to grow it on Mars And it's a million easier still to import it. So apart from hydroponics for treats and research, it's not a problem worth solving.
  - el_nahual 4y ago
    > it's not a problem worth solving. Exactly. Farming on mars is not a problem worth solving.
    - sneak 4y ago
      The people who will be born there will likely not agree with you.
    - insane_dreamer 4y ago
      Resupply latencies not exactly comparable. So I would say that yes, farming on Mars is a problem worth solving, and one that will be solved once there's a need to do so (that doesn't mean it will be easy or inexpensive).
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Exactly. Farming on mars is not a problem worth solving I know you're being flippant, but this is a textbook propositional fallacy. (Affirming a disjunct [1], I think.) In summary, you argue: farming on Antarctica is difficult, so we import food instead. Farming on Mars is difficult, but we don't want to import food. Herego, we shouldn't farm on Mars or bother with it at all. Alternatively, if X (farming is difficult), Y (farm) or Z (import). You're arguing neither Y or Z by, implicitly, rejecting Z. That doesn't make sense. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct
    - 1659447091 4y ago
      Exactly. We need replicators[0], problem solved. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek)
- mlindner 4y ago
  On Mars you have soil you can process into something plants can use (note: needs to be washed free of its perchlorate contamination first) whereas at the South Pole there is no soil that is not buried under hundreds of meters of ice. You can't just create a heated greenhouse on top of the ice because it will melt the ice underneath. They've already done tests where they've grown plants in Martial soil simulant.
  - floxy 4y ago
    >at the South Pole there is no soil that is not buried under hundreds of meters of ice. https://www.scenic.com.au/news/seasons-of-antarctica https://www.scenic.com.au/news/seasons-of-antarctica https://www.antarctica.gov.au/news/2015/scientists-heading-to-antarctica-to-study-the-continent-as-it-wakes-from-winter/ https://www.antarctica.gov.au/news/2015/scientists-heading-t... https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-antarctica-managed-to-recorded-a-20-75-c-day-last-month https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-antarctica-managed-t...
    - mlindner 4y ago
      South pole. I'm not talking about Antarctica as a whole. There's plenty of areas on Antarctica's coast where small plants/lichen grow.

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