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This definition of compelled speech is inherently politicizing an apolitical thing. I find it super strange to refer to using someone's gender as compelled spee
by PuppyTailWags 4y ago
This definition of compelled speech is inherently politicizing an apolitical thing. I find it super strange to refer to using someone's gender as compelled speech. Sometimes I mistake a man for a woman, especially long-haired men from behind, and if the man corrects me and asks me to refer to him as a man, I don't throw a fit that my civil liberties are being violated. Certainly if I kept insisting on calling my male student she/her pronouns in kindergarten because he happened to have long hair and I got in trouble for it, this isn't compelling my speech any more than if I got in trouble for refusing to use "John" if a co-worker says "Hey don't call me Jonathan please, I go by John". I don't see why we should hold trans or nonbinary people to a standard we don't hold everyone else: if I call someone P and they correct me and ask me to call them Q, I don't think it's compelled speech.
- jl6 4y agoThe compulsion element arises if you risk being fired for not using the words you are being asked to use.
- amanaplanacanal 4y agoIf I intentionally called a co-worker by the wrong name when it obviously upset them, should I be surprised if I got fired?
- yesco 4y agoA pronoun is not a name
- actually_a_dog 4y agoIf you don't want to respect the people around you at work, you should be fired.
- jl6 4y agoSee how easy it is to fall into supporting compelled speech? It’s all for a good cause, after all…
- puffoflogic 4y agoNo you don't understand it's not compelled speech if it's something I agree with.
- fzeroracer 4y agoIf you go around your workplace intentionally calling your manager a 'woman' or a 'female' in spite of him being a cisgender man you will probably be fired quicker than you think. But by all means you can try and see how long you'll last.
- actually_a_dog 4y agoSee how easy it is to fall into assuming I care? This is not "compelled speech" in the sense of the Constitution, anyway, your disingenuous attempts to paint it as such notwithstanding.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoI mean, it's also super inappropriate to run around calling a random guy with long hair she/her. It's obviously super inappropriate to call a female co-worker a man if she lifts weights, y'know? It's always been a firable offense. I don't see the difference here except to say we want to treat trans people special, or something, and I just think that's just bringing politics into it.
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