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> Mr. Musk has criticized the new law, and said that federal funding for electric-vehicle charging is unnecessary. and yet this law is going to incentivize you
by zzzeek 4y ago
> Mr. Musk has criticized the new law, and said that federal funding for electric-vehicle charging is unnecessary.
and yet this law is going to incentivize you to actually open up your chargers so that I can charge my Hyundai there. Works for me
- asynchronous 4y ago[flagged]
- Geeek 4y agoLol in what way is Hyundai a inferior manufacturer? Their EVs keep on getting top of the line rankings
- zzzeek 4y agowell you're going to see mine so I guess deal with it?
- bragr 4y agoHuh? Hyundai has the fastest charging vehicles on the market thanks to the much higher battery pack voltage. Tesla's battery is starting to look behind the times.
- NickM 4y agoHyundai is definitely doing well in terms of charging speed, but they're still a bit slower than Tesla (220 kW vs 250 kW). The marketing is confusing here, as Hyundai cars need a "350 kW charger" to achieve their max charging speed, and so they like to mention that 350 kW number, but they don't actually have the ability to draw anywhere near 350 kW of electricity.
- bragr 4y agoYou need to look at the charging curve vs the peak charging rate. Teslas quickly derate from their peak rate.
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Tesla offered wayyyy back to make their charging system the industry standard You neglected to mention the conditions. Tesla did not make any kind of serious offer, and as a result no manufacturers took them up on it, because it would have been a terrible business decision.
- dmitriid 4y ago> No, I don’t wanna see a Hyundai next to me at a supercharger station. Ma, look, a segregationist.
- NickM 4y agoNot to nitpick, but the law doesn't compel Tesla to open up their charging network. However, they need to open the network if they want access to the additional federal funding. Which, clearly they felt was a worthwhile trade.
- zzzeek 4y agocompel is the wrong word, i was trying not to use "force". guess "motivate" is all that's left
- revscat 4y agoPerhaps “incentivize” would be more accurate.
- zzzeek 4y agoooh that's it, why are online thesauruses so bad
- reaperducer 4y ago"My thesaurus is terrible. It's also terrible." — Siri's response when I asked her "Tell me a joke" last night.
- TOMDM 4y agoIt feels like all I talk about these days, but ChatGPT is the best thesaurus I've ever used.
- revscat 4y agoOne of Tesla‘s biggest market advantages is the quality and ubiquity of their charging network. There’s no other charging network that you can just drive up to, be 95% certain that it’s going to work, plug in, and start charging without having to download an app. Blink at least allows for contactless payments now, but their chargers are still all slow chargers, I believe. It’s no surprise that he is resistant. It needs to happen, though. Like you I’m glad and incentives are being provided.
- zzzeek 4y agoim fairly certain I'll have to download an app to use a tesla charger with my car. tesla cars already have "the app" inside them because the car / charger / billing is all integrated and owned by a single company. I'd rather not buy into a monolithic arrangement like that.
- revscat 4y agoWell, yes, but that’s going to be true regardless of the network. I meant after the initial download and account set up. I should’ve been more clear. Tesla is the only network I have used where I can just drive up, plug in, and start charging. I hope this is where everyone eventually goes.
- vel0city 4y agoI don't own a Tesla and have had many experiences of drive up, plug in, and start charging. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118
- kjksf 4y agoWhat do you own and where are those magic EV chargers that don't require you to do SOMETHING other than plugging in, like swiping a credit card or some such?
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- mlindner 4y agoWell yes it makes sense to criticize the government effectively subsidizing your competitors when they failed to innovate. This reduces the willingness of companies to innovate like Tesla did because they know they can sit on the haunches and wait for the government to bail them out with tax payer's money.
- zzzeek 4y agoother car manufacturers aren't actually building charging stations. they rightfully see this as a separate endeavor. Tesla's hard-binding of their cars with their chargers is simply anticompetitive. I would like the government to help correct this.
- mwint 4y agoWho the heck was going to build chargers in 2011-2016 if not Tesla? They had to do it for their product to be usable. It’s not like they tried to corner the market, there just wasn’t a market at all.
- mlindner 4y agoThe CCS standard didn't exist when Tesla created their own charging connector, and there were many other connectors at the time. CCS is objectively worse than Tesla's standard in both form factor and ease of use. What the government is doing is anti-competitive, not Tesla.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoIf I've learned one thing in my life, it's that the friction caused by competing "standards" is always 1000% worse than any hypothetical pain you'll suffer from choosing the weaker one.
- mlindner 4y agoIn this case it's the government mandating the weaker one, through the lobbying of competitors trying to wreck the market leader. It's the _way_ that this happened that puts such a sour taste in my mouth personally.
- blitzar 4y ago> Mr. Musk has criticized the new law, and said that federal funding for electric-vehicle charging is unnecessary. He is free to repay all the government subsidies and funding he has received if they are unwanted.
- noslenwerdna 4y agoSuperchargers are convenient because Teslas are fast charging. When these slower charging cars get access, it'll be more convenient for the owners of other types of cars at the cost of Tesla owners waiting in long lines to charge.
- bink 4y agoTeslas aren't the fastest charging EVs anymore and haven't been for some time. Yes, there will be Leafs and Bolts and other slow charging cars, but there will be faster charging cars as well as long as Tesla's newer chargers support a faster standard.