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Yes, there is a whole series on the influence of Israeli lobbies in university in the UK. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israel-lobby-i

Yes, there is a whole series on the influence of Israeli lobbies in university in the UK. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israel-lobby-infiltrates-uk-student-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israe... There are also US laws in some states that prohibit divesting of universities from Israel, which were specifically written due to influence by lobbies. They breach the principle of freedom of association of the first amendment. https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundaries-of-freedom-of-speech https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundar... Look at anti-boycott laws https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boyco...

localplume 4y ago
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- erenyeager 4y ago
  Al Jazeera is an international media network, often having higher quality reporting than BBC in some areas. But if you refuse AJ as a source, how about Jewish Voice for Peace? You can find articles from a variety of different sources on the silencing of activists due to lobbies. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop-unconstitutional-attack-freedom-boycott/ https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop...
  - localplume 4y ago
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    - erenyeager 4y ago
      If you look at Texas law for example, there have been court challenges and questioning the constitutionality of such anti-boycott laws. https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-speech-rights-rules_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-... As for “self-hating Jews” I’m not sure those people would describe themselves as such. Much has been written about differences in the US Jewish community, but for an example of diversity of views on Israel among US Jews, you can see this pew research article. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-ha... Anyways, I think the evidence should be evaluated instead of labeling a source anti-this and anti-that without further investigation. You can even look at the BBC, which you cited, as being implicated in caving to pressure from pro-Israeli lobbies to censor itself. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrage-after-removing-content-following-pressure-from-pro-israel-lobby/amp/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrag...
      - localplume 4y ago
        Fair point, but at the very least the bias of the articles/sources should be taken into consideration considering the widespread anti-semitism and historical context of such. from the salon article "Hanen "acknowledged that [a] pro-Palestinian view is protected by the First Amendment," said Abbas. "That may sound like little crumbs, but that's a controversial take, and it's a blessing."" its not a prevention of being pro-Palestinian or demonstrating any pro-Palestinian activtism, but specifically about BDS in the context of federal law regarding commerce and boycotting. Trust me, I know about the differing opinions in our community. But there does tend to be some who reject their identity to appease the people persecuting us... With the final link, the BBC really tries to be impartial so it makes sense they would review content? If they never add it back, or add an edited form back then I'd be more concerned. Plus "Foulkes explained that the series will be suspended from the site whilst an editorial review is carried out and that once the review has been completed, the BBC will decide which content to retire permanently and which to reinstate and / or edit."
    - unmole 4y ago
      > Jew-hating Jews My sides.
- bilqis 4y ago
  Your links contain no proof of BDS being anti-semitic, just some officials of the US and Germany saying that it’s antisemitic. I can’t say much about Germany, but I feel pretty confident not using USA government as a source of unbiased Israel related opinions.
  - localplume 4y ago
    Sure. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-isra... - "Critics say B.D.S. is actually counterproductive to resolving the conflict, because it rejects Israel’s right to exist in spite of settled international law; encourages Palestinians to insist on the right of return for all refugees, which Israel is unlikely to ever accept in negotiations; pressures only one side to make concessions; and discourages bridge-building efforts between Israelis and Palestinians on the grounds that they “normalize” Israel. They say its rejection of the Jewish state distracts from debate over how to end the conflict and plays into the hands of right-wing Israeli opponents of a Palestinian state." So its anti-semitic at worst but honestly unproductive at best. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/454958-the-truth-about-the-bds-movement/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/454958-the-truth-a... "There are many challenges in Israel, not the least of which is the plight of the Palestinians. This is a real challenge that needs to be addressed with urgency, coupled with the very priority of Israel’s security. Our energy should be more focused on what we can do to move toward peace, what we can we do to lift up the Palestinians in a sustainable way, and not isolate Israel in an anti-Semitic way. BDS is not about the “pursuit of civil and human rights.” It’s not about the First Amendment. It is an attempt to demonize, delegitimize and apply a double standard to Israel—all three of Sharansky’s indicators. And we, as members of the Jewish and broader communities, should be willing to partner wholly with anyone truly committed to such an end, and not merely using it as cover for implicit anti-Semitic gains."
    - bilqis 4y ago
      You’re still citing “opinions”, not facts, and more so, unpersonalised ones. “Concerns have been raised”, “People say”, etc.

localplume 4y ago

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erenyeager 4y ago
Al Jazeera is an international media network, often having higher quality reporting than BBC in some areas. But if you refuse AJ as a source, how about Jewish Voice for Peace? You can find articles from a variety of different sources on the silencing of activists due to lobbies. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop-unconstitutional-attack-freedom-boycott/ https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop...
- localplume 4y ago
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  - erenyeager 4y ago
    If you look at Texas law for example, there have been court challenges and questioning the constitutionality of such anti-boycott laws. https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-speech-rights-rules_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-... As for “self-hating Jews” I’m not sure those people would describe themselves as such. Much has been written about differences in the US Jewish community, but for an example of diversity of views on Israel among US Jews, you can see this pew research article. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-ha... Anyways, I think the evidence should be evaluated instead of labeling a source anti-this and anti-that without further investigation. You can even look at the BBC, which you cited, as being implicated in caving to pressure from pro-Israeli lobbies to censor itself. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrage-after-removing-content-following-pressure-from-pro-israel-lobby/amp/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrag...
    - localplume 4y ago
      Fair point, but at the very least the bias of the articles/sources should be taken into consideration considering the widespread anti-semitism and historical context of such. from the salon article "Hanen "acknowledged that [a] pro-Palestinian view is protected by the First Amendment," said Abbas. "That may sound like little crumbs, but that's a controversial take, and it's a blessing."" its not a prevention of being pro-Palestinian or demonstrating any pro-Palestinian activtism, but specifically about BDS in the context of federal law regarding commerce and boycotting. Trust me, I know about the differing opinions in our community. But there does tend to be some who reject their identity to appease the people persecuting us... With the final link, the BBC really tries to be impartial so it makes sense they would review content? If they never add it back, or add an edited form back then I'd be more concerned. Plus "Foulkes explained that the series will be suspended from the site whilst an editorial review is carried out and that once the review has been completed, the BBC will decide which content to retire permanently and which to reinstate and / or edit."
  - unmole 4y ago
    > Jew-hating Jews My sides.
bilqis 4y ago
Your links contain no proof of BDS being anti-semitic, just some officials of the US and Germany saying that it’s antisemitic. I can’t say much about Germany, but I feel pretty confident not using USA government as a source of unbiased Israel related opinions.
- localplume 4y ago
  Sure. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-isra... - "Critics say B.D.S. is actually counterproductive to resolving the conflict, because it rejects Israel’s right to exist in spite of settled international law; encourages Palestinians to insist on the right of return for all refugees, which Israel is unlikely to ever accept in negotiations; pressures only one side to make concessions; and discourages bridge-building efforts between Israelis and Palestinians on the grounds that they “normalize” Israel. They say its rejection of the Jewish state distracts from debate over how to end the conflict and plays into the hands of right-wing Israeli opponents of a Palestinian state." So its anti-semitic at worst but honestly unproductive at best. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/454958-the-truth-about-the-bds-movement/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/454958-the-truth-a... "There are many challenges in Israel, not the least of which is the plight of the Palestinians. This is a real challenge that needs to be addressed with urgency, coupled with the very priority of Israel’s security. Our energy should be more focused on what we can do to move toward peace, what we can we do to lift up the Palestinians in a sustainable way, and not isolate Israel in an anti-Semitic way. BDS is not about the “pursuit of civil and human rights.” It’s not about the First Amendment. It is an attempt to demonize, delegitimize and apply a double standard to Israel—all three of Sharansky’s indicators. And we, as members of the Jewish and broader communities, should be willing to partner wholly with anyone truly committed to such an end, and not merely using it as cover for implicit anti-Semitic gains."
  - bilqis 4y ago
    You’re still citing “opinions”, not facts, and more so, unpersonalised ones. “Concerns have been raised”, “People say”, etc.