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This viewpoint leads to an irresolvable contradiction, in the U.S. at least, as another user pointed out: > The US enshrined in the Constitution that every sin

This viewpoint leads to an irresolvable contradiction, in the U.S. at least, as another user pointed out: > The US enshrined in the Constitution that every single person, no matter what they did, will have the right to a legal defense. If that is the case, how would morality play a role here? Are you suggesting that we should teach lawyers to only represent clients they think are good people? If lawyers exercised their own independent views of morality and ethics that would imply the possibility that very odious people can be left without any legal representation. Which is contrary to the constitution.

bhupy 4y ago
100%. James B Donovan[1] was (in)famously admonished for defending a Soviet spy (as dramatized in the Spielberg film Bridge of Spies), but that's what set us apart from the rest of the world. If the relative amorality of upholding The Law is unpalatable for some, then maybe they aren't cut out to practice law. Perhaps being made of sterner stuff is a key prerequisite, not too different from practicing medicine, where the hippocratic oath obliges one to medically serve even the most repugnant criminals. [1] https://news.fordham.edu/fordham-magazine/metadiplomat-the-real-life-story-of-bridge-of-spies-hero-james-b-donovan/ https://news.fordham.edu/fordham-magazine/metadiplomat-the-r...
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Thanks for the link and example. There's a certain generosity of spirit and heart needed to maintain such a belief in spite of external pressures, especially in the 60s.
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karpierz 4y ago
So lawyers shouldn't vote? Shouldn't lobby for changes in law? Shouldn't encourage each other to take up fields to help those with legal recourse (ex: public defenders)? Shouldn't discourage lawyers from going into money-making schemes that effectively exploit those without money to defend themselves? There's a lot of room between "lawyers have no responsibility for remedying injustice in the current system" and "lawyers should just decide who's guilty and refuse to deal with them".
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  You seem to be confusing personal views and what they express as part of their job.
  - karpierz 4y ago
    I don't know how this isn't part of being a lawyer: - Deciding what kind of case law they specialize in - Deciding where to work - Deciding how the work should be done This whole article is about how Harvard is encouraging lawyers to ignore any professional responsibility in favour of monetary compensation.
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      > So lawyers shouldn't vote? Shouldn't lobby for changes in law? These are 100%, or close to it, personal decisions. The other decisions all involve, in some portion, personal views as to what's right and wrong.

bhupy 4y ago

100%. James B Donovan[1] was (in)famously admonished for defending a Soviet spy (as dramatized in the Spielberg film Bridge of Spies), but that's what set us apart from the rest of the world. If the relative amorality of upholding The Law is unpalatable for some, then maybe they aren't cut out to practice law. Perhaps being made of sterner stuff is a key prerequisite, not too different from practicing medicine, where the hippocratic oath obliges one to medically serve even the most repugnant criminals. [1] https://news.fordham.edu/fordham-magazine/metadiplomat-the-real-life-story-of-bridge-of-spies-hero-james-b-donovan/ https://news.fordham.edu/fordham-magazine/metadiplomat-the-r...

MichaelZuo 4y ago
Thanks for the link and example. There's a certain generosity of spirit and heart needed to maintain such a belief in spite of external pressures, especially in the 60s.

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karpierz 4y ago

So lawyers shouldn't vote? Shouldn't lobby for changes in law? Shouldn't encourage each other to take up fields to help those with legal recourse (ex: public defenders)? Shouldn't discourage lawyers from going into money-making schemes that effectively exploit those without money to defend themselves? There's a lot of room between "lawyers have no responsibility for remedying injustice in the current system" and "lawyers should just decide who's guilty and refuse to deal with them".

MichaelZuo 4y ago
You seem to be confusing personal views and what they express as part of their job.
- karpierz 4y ago
  I don't know how this isn't part of being a lawyer: - Deciding what kind of case law they specialize in - Deciding where to work - Deciding how the work should be done This whole article is about how Harvard is encouraging lawyers to ignore any professional responsibility in favour of monetary compensation.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    > So lawyers shouldn't vote? Shouldn't lobby for changes in law? These are 100%, or close to it, personal decisions. The other decisions all involve, in some portion, personal views as to what's right and wrong.