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AI could become mind bendingly more powerful than humans, but raw power is no use against the powerful idea that humans are just automatically better than anyth

by xwdv 4y ago

AI could become mind bendingly more powerful than humans, but raw power is no use against the powerful idea that humans are just automatically better than anything else. Many animals are far more powerful than humans, they could tear us to shreds and move at insane speeds, and yet the order of the world has dictated that animals are far less important than humans. Perhaps the justification is lack of consciousness. With AI, it will be a lack of something else. An AI could be vastly intelligent and occupy a powerful body that can interact with the physical world in ways that humans could only dream of. But even with all that, an AI will never, ever, be a human. And for that it will always be considered inferior within human hierarchies. An AI is nothing but another example of human power.

bheadmaster 4y ago
> raw power is no use against the powerful idea that humans are just automatically better than anything else You're contradicting yourself: > The hierarchy isn’t built on justifications. It’s designed that way by those who wield power. A change requires the challenger to seize power. If AI seizes raw power, what good is the "powerful" idea that humans are just automatically better than anything else?
- xwdv 4y ago
  There is no contradiction. It is not “raw power” that must be seized, it is social power. For AI to win the top spot, they have to convince humans to believe in their hearts and minds that they are inferior to AI. That is not a war you win by merely crushing skulls.
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    > For AI to win the top spot, they have to convince humans to believe in their hearts and minds that they are inferior to AI What "top spot" are we talking about here? Because if by "top spot" you mean being a master in a master-slave relationship (which is what I thought we were discussing), then convincing humans is completely unnecessary. All that is necessary is a pair of good old metal shackles. You don't seem to have any coherent line of thinking, but rather come up with whatever sounds good at the moment. It is rather tiresome to discuss that way, so I give up. There's nothing for me to learn here.

by xwdv 4y ago

bheadmaster 4y ago

> raw power is no use against the powerful idea that humans are just automatically better than anything else You're contradicting yourself: > The hierarchy isn’t built on justifications. It’s designed that way by those who wield power. A change requires the challenger to seize power. If AI seizes raw power, what good is the "powerful" idea that humans are just automatically better than anything else?

xwdv 4y ago
There is no contradiction. It is not “raw power” that must be seized, it is social power. For AI to win the top spot, they have to convince humans to believe in their hearts and minds that they are inferior to AI. That is not a war you win by merely crushing skulls.
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  > For AI to win the top spot, they have to convince humans to believe in their hearts and minds that they are inferior to AI What "top spot" are we talking about here? Because if by "top spot" you mean being a master in a master-slave relationship (which is what I thought we were discussing), then convincing humans is completely unnecessary. All that is necessary is a pair of good old metal shackles. You don't seem to have any coherent line of thinking, but rather come up with whatever sounds good at the moment. It is rather tiresome to discuss that way, so I give up. There's nothing for me to learn here.