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I remember there was a piece about universities in the Uk and collaboration with Mossad agents to suppress pro-Palestine student movements. Additionally, if you

I remember there was a piece about universities in the Uk and collaboration with Mossad agents to suppress pro-Palestine student movements. Additionally, if you’ve heard of the “canary list” it’s a website dedicated to dragging students and activists in the mud by associating them with horrible things. I remember a professor at my university about whom a fake website claiming he sexually harassed a student was created. Of course the claims were false but because he was an advisor for the Palestine club his name was dragged through mud. Since a previous comment chain with sources has disappeared for some reason, I’ve posted sources for further reading here: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israel-lobby-infiltrates-uk-student-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israe... https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrage-after-removing-content-following-pressure-from-pro-israel-lobby/amp/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrag... Also see the US anti-boycott laws: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop-unconstitutional-attack-freedom-boycott/amp/ https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop... https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-speech-rights-rules_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-...

CommanderData 4y ago
Can you cite this as it sounds horrible.
- ethotool 4y ago
  I believe he is referring to this https://canarymission.org/ https://canarymission.org/
- erenyeager 4y ago
  Yes, I’ve sourced some in another comment under my thread but here is some reading on the canary list: https://theintercept.com/2018/11/22/israel-boycott-canary-mission-blacklist/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/22/israel-boycott-canary-mi... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-10-04/ty-article/.premium/official-documents-prove-israel-bans-young-americans-based-on-canary-mission-site/0000017f-e5c4-df2c-a1ff-ffd5b4150000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-10-04/ty-article/.p...
  - luckylion 4y ago
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    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      How, I'm genuinely curious. I know that's a common response to it but I find it hard to see. Even a slight view into the history of israel should allow you to see that there is a valid and consistent basis for its opposition wholly separate from antisemitism, even if you don't endorse that opposition. As well, non-israeli jews make up a significant portion of the leadership of these groups. Which doesn't inherently make it not antisemitic, I guess, but definitely indicates the situation is much more complex than simple antisemitism. And also that yes, in the real world that will attract antisemites who oppose israel for that simple reason. In my experience though pro-palestine activists in the US are fairly sensitive to this dynamic and vigilant about not aligning with antisemitic groups who would be willing allies.
      - localplume 4y ago
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        alldayeveryday 4y ago
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        AzzieElbab 4y ago
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        sangnoir 4y ago
        They did no no such thing.
        AzzieElbab 4y ago
localplume 4y ago
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- erenyeager 4y ago
  Yes, there is a whole series on the influence of Israeli lobbies in university in the UK. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israel-lobby-infiltrates-uk-student-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israe... There are also US laws in some states that prohibit divesting of universities from Israel, which were specifically written due to influence by lobbies. They breach the principle of freedom of association of the first amendment. https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundaries-of-freedom-of-speech https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundar... Look at anti-boycott laws https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boyco...
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    - erenyeager 4y ago
      Al Jazeera is an international media network, often having higher quality reporting than BBC in some areas. But if you refuse AJ as a source, how about Jewish Voice for Peace? You can find articles from a variety of different sources on the silencing of activists due to lobbies. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop-unconstitutional-attack-freedom-boycott/ https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop...
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throwaway2203 4y ago
I remember seeing that canary list online in the 2012-13 era. It was frightening.
ravagat 4y ago
Haven't heard the canary list mentioned in a while. It was a wild time, I had a few friends' relatives affected
EdwardDiego 4y ago
My Red Hat contract specifically stated I wasn't allowed to boycott Israel, as a Kiwi, that was freaking bizarre.
weatherlite 4y ago
This happens on both sides of the political spectrum. People who identify as Zionists are banned, ridiculed, haraassed and in extreme cases (but not that rare) physically assaulted everywhere they go.
- l33tbro 4y ago
  Wonder if the same thing happened to Afrikaners?
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    Have no idea. Being a Zionist is comparable to being an Afrikaner now? I'll let Bernie Sanders know.
    - l33tbro 4y ago
      Israel isn't an apartheid state?
      - weatherlite 4y ago
        Being a Zionist doesn't necessarily mean you support Israel's policy in the West Bank anymore than being Pro Palestinian means you're pro Hamas. Being a Zionist means you support Israel's right to exist. I am a Zionist and also pro Palestinian in the sense that I support an independent Palestinian state along side (not instead of) Israel. As for the apartheid analogy, there's some truth to it and also many differences from what happened in South Africa. The big elephant in the room is that no Palestinian leadership, ever, in the last 100 years actually accepted Zionism / a Jewish state in any kind of borders. And many kinds of partitions were discussed throughout history. So settlements or no settlements we are left with a security control / martial law that Israel will have to keep over the Palestinians for its survival as long as this continues since the denial of Zionism is often violent. Is that apartheid? Not in my eyes no. But the settlements are (and are very controversial within Israel btw, and some of them were dismantled). Is this reason enough for anyone who identifies as a Zionist to be attacked/harassed automatically without even hearing what he has to say? For you it seems like it is. Shouldn't then Americans be spat at as soon as they open their mouths over what happened in Iraq? I mean some people say Americans murdered one million people for no good reason why does this get a pass? The Israeli Palestinian conflict is peanuts compared to some of the adventures the U.S had and Israel at least has a good reason to fight, what's the U.S excuse? Yet its beyond the pale for Americans to be boycotted/harassed simply for being Americans - not now and not when the war was going on. The situation in Israel is tragic and complex and needs real solutions, but the anti Zionist crowd that sees everything as good or evil (Israel of course is evil, the Palestinians good) has it all figured out.

CommanderData 4y ago

Can you cite this as it sounds horrible.

ethotool 4y ago
I believe he is referring to this https://canarymission.org/ https://canarymission.org/
erenyeager 4y ago
Yes, I’ve sourced some in another comment under my thread but here is some reading on the canary list: https://theintercept.com/2018/11/22/israel-boycott-canary-mission-blacklist/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/22/israel-boycott-canary-mi... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-10-04/ty-article/.premium/official-documents-prove-israel-bans-young-americans-based-on-canary-mission-site/0000017f-e5c4-df2c-a1ff-ffd5b4150000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-10-04/ty-article/.p...
- luckylion 4y ago
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  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    How, I'm genuinely curious. I know that's a common response to it but I find it hard to see. Even a slight view into the history of israel should allow you to see that there is a valid and consistent basis for its opposition wholly separate from antisemitism, even if you don't endorse that opposition. As well, non-israeli jews make up a significant portion of the leadership of these groups. Which doesn't inherently make it not antisemitic, I guess, but definitely indicates the situation is much more complex than simple antisemitism. And also that yes, in the real world that will attract antisemites who oppose israel for that simple reason. In my experience though pro-palestine activists in the US are fairly sensitive to this dynamic and vigilant about not aligning with antisemitic groups who would be willing allies.
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        AzzieElbab 4y ago
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        sangnoir 4y ago
        They did no no such thing.
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erenyeager 4y ago
Yes, there is a whole series on the influence of Israeli lobbies in university in the UK. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israel-lobby-infiltrates-uk-student-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israe... There are also US laws in some states that prohibit divesting of universities from Israel, which were specifically written due to influence by lobbies. They breach the principle of freedom of association of the first amendment. https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundaries-of-freedom-of-speech https://law.pacific.edu/law/conferences-and-symposia/boundar... Look at anti-boycott laws https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boyco...
- localplume 4y ago
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  - erenyeager 4y ago
    Al Jazeera is an international media network, often having higher quality reporting than BBC in some areas. But if you refuse AJ as a source, how about Jewish Voice for Peace? You can find articles from a variety of different sources on the silencing of activists due to lobbies. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop-unconstitutional-attack-freedom-boycott/ https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop...
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throwaway2203 4y ago

I remember seeing that canary list online in the 2012-13 era. It was frightening.

ravagat 4y ago

Haven't heard the canary list mentioned in a while. It was a wild time, I had a few friends' relatives affected

EdwardDiego 4y ago

My Red Hat contract specifically stated I wasn't allowed to boycott Israel, as a Kiwi, that was freaking bizarre.

weatherlite 4y ago

This happens on both sides of the political spectrum. People who identify as Zionists are banned, ridiculed, haraassed and in extreme cases (but not that rare) physically assaulted everywhere they go.

l33tbro 4y ago
Wonder if the same thing happened to Afrikaners?
- weatherlite 4y ago
  Have no idea. Being a Zionist is comparable to being an Afrikaner now? I'll let Bernie Sanders know.
  - l33tbro 4y ago
    Israel isn't an apartheid state?
    - weatherlite 4y ago
      Being a Zionist doesn't necessarily mean you support Israel's policy in the West Bank anymore than being Pro Palestinian means you're pro Hamas. Being a Zionist means you support Israel's right to exist. I am a Zionist and also pro Palestinian in the sense that I support an independent Palestinian state along side (not instead of) Israel. As for the apartheid analogy, there's some truth to it and also many differences from what happened in South Africa. The big elephant in the room is that no Palestinian leadership, ever, in the last 100 years actually accepted Zionism / a Jewish state in any kind of borders. And many kinds of partitions were discussed throughout history. So settlements or no settlements we are left with a security control / martial law that Israel will have to keep over the Palestinians for its survival as long as this continues since the denial of Zionism is often violent. Is that apartheid? Not in my eyes no. But the settlements are (and are very controversial within Israel btw, and some of them were dismantled). Is this reason enough for anyone who identifies as a Zionist to be attacked/harassed automatically without even hearing what he has to say? For you it seems like it is. Shouldn't then Americans be spat at as soon as they open their mouths over what happened in Iraq? I mean some people say Americans murdered one million people for no good reason why does this get a pass? The Israeli Palestinian conflict is peanuts compared to some of the adventures the U.S had and Israel at least has a good reason to fight, what's the U.S excuse? Yet its beyond the pale for Americans to be boycotted/harassed simply for being Americans - not now and not when the war was going on. The situation in Israel is tragic and complex and needs real solutions, but the anti Zionist crowd that sees everything as good or evil (Israel of course is evil, the Palestinians good) has it all figured out.