4 ms·

Toyota is building one of the most reliable and robust cars for the masses. With attitude to build cars they will be competitive for very long.

speedgoose 4y ago
But Toyota isn’t on top of the reliability rankings.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  Toyota scored 1st and 2nd (Toyota and Lexus) in Consumers reports 2022 reliability rankings: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... Lexus is number one in JD Power's 2023 rankings: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehi...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- qclibre22 4y ago
  https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... : "Toyota, Lexus, and BMW are the top three most reliable brands in our annual auto reliability brand rankings" https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/consumer-reports-reliability-study-2021/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/consumer-reports-reliabil... : 5 of top 10 are Toyota
  - switch007 4y ago
    BMW, number 3?! They must build them different in the US, surely.
    - _huayra_ 4y ago
      BMW = "Bring My Wallet" because those multi-thousand $$$ shocks won't replace themselves for free after 4 years In the US it seems like they're built to barely make it to the end of the leasing period and then implode. They're really going to town with the "snap-in" fittings for hoses in the engine because putting a metal hose clamp on seems to increase COGS I guess.
      - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        > They're really going to town with the "snap-in" fittings for hoses in the engine because putting a metal hose clamp on seems to increase COGS It's a labor saving thing. It's cheaper to design a fancy snap-together plastic connector once, buy a few million from overseas and than it is to have expensive first world labor tighten hose clamps.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- kube-system 4y ago
  They are consistently at the top of reliability rankings. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- Eumenes 4y ago
  My new Tacoma is garbage, so many electric/computer problems and under 20k miles. Has spent at least 4 weeks in shop during first year of owning it.
- speedgoose 4y ago
  My bad, I got a wrong source.
Snitch-Thursday 4y ago
Agreed. I'm hopeful to see if their research into synthetically created hydrogen fuel powered cars will get us fuel created by green energy that we can run in hydrogen fuel cell cars so we get the best of both cutting fuel emissions to net zero and still have the flexibility of cross-country drives and fast fuelings without having to have all our (agriculture, industrial, etc.) vehicles be BEVs.
- sbradford26 4y ago
  So Hydrogen's perk would be quicker fueling but I don't know how many people are going to be willing to pay the fairly large additional cost for that convenience. Toyota Mirai: Tank Size: 5.6 kg of hydrogen Cost per kg of hydrogen: $13.11 Miles of range: 402 Cost per mile: $0.18 Ioniq 5: Battery Size: 77.4 kWh Range: 302 miles Miles per kWh: 3.5 Cost per kWh (Currently at my house): $0.27 per kWh Cost per mile: $0.08 Ford Maverick Hybrid (My current vehicle): Tank size: 13.6 Gallons Range: ~500 miles Average fuel economy: 38.5 mpg (my average currently) Cost per gallon: $3.40 (last price I saw on the way into work) Cost per mile: $0.088 To get an equivalent cost per mile electricity would have to $0.63 per kWh. Largely though that is currently with hydrogen made from natural gas, versus green hydrogen which will end up being intrinsically lin.18/ked to the cost of electricity. From what I have seen it is somewhere around 3 watts of electricity to get 1 W equivalent of hydrogen which might be able to get a 2 to 1 ratio in the future. I think certain sectors like aerospace will be okay with the additional cost due to other advantages but regular consumers it seems less likely. Cost for Hydrogen (I went with the lower number): https://h2fcp.org/content/cost-refill https://h2fcp.org/content/cost-refill

speedgoose 4y ago

But Toyota isn’t on top of the reliability rankings.

clouddrover 4y ago
Toyota scored 1st and 2nd (Toyota and Lexus) in Consumers reports 2022 reliability rankings: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... Lexus is number one in JD Power's 2023 rankings: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehi...
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
qclibre22 4y ago
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... : "Toyota, Lexus, and BMW are the top three most reliable brands in our annual auto reliability brand rankings" https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/consumer-reports-reliability-study-2021/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/consumer-reports-reliabil... : 5 of top 10 are Toyota
- switch007 4y ago
  BMW, number 3?! They must build them different in the US, surely.
  - _huayra_ 4y ago
    BMW = "Bring My Wallet" because those multi-thousand $$$ shocks won't replace themselves for free after 4 years In the US it seems like they're built to barely make it to the end of the leasing period and then implode. They're really going to town with the "snap-in" fittings for hoses in the engine because putting a metal hose clamp on seems to increase COGS I guess.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      > They're really going to town with the "snap-in" fittings for hoses in the engine because putting a metal hose clamp on seems to increase COGS It's a labor saving thing. It's cheaper to design a fancy snap-together plastic connector once, buy a few million from overseas and than it is to have expensive first world labor tighten hose clamps.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
kube-system 4y ago
They are consistently at the top of reliability rankings. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
Eumenes 4y ago
My new Tacoma is garbage, so many electric/computer problems and under 20k miles. Has spent at least 4 weeks in shop during first year of owning it.
speedgoose 4y ago
My bad, I got a wrong source.

Snitch-Thursday 4y ago

Agreed. I'm hopeful to see if their research into synthetically created hydrogen fuel powered cars will get us fuel created by green energy that we can run in hydrogen fuel cell cars so we get the best of both cutting fuel emissions to net zero and still have the flexibility of cross-country drives and fast fuelings without having to have all our (agriculture, industrial, etc.) vehicles be BEVs.

sbradford26 4y ago
So Hydrogen's perk would be quicker fueling but I don't know how many people are going to be willing to pay the fairly large additional cost for that convenience. Toyota Mirai: Tank Size: 5.6 kg of hydrogen Cost per kg of hydrogen: $13.11 Miles of range: 402 Cost per mile: $0.18 Ioniq 5: Battery Size: 77.4 kWh Range: 302 miles Miles per kWh: 3.5 Cost per kWh (Currently at my house): $0.27 per kWh Cost per mile: $0.08 Ford Maverick Hybrid (My current vehicle): Tank size: 13.6 Gallons Range: ~500 miles Average fuel economy: 38.5 mpg (my average currently) Cost per gallon: $3.40 (last price I saw on the way into work) Cost per mile: $0.088 To get an equivalent cost per mile electricity would have to $0.63 per kWh. Largely though that is currently with hydrogen made from natural gas, versus green hydrogen which will end up being intrinsically lin.18/ked to the cost of electricity. From what I have seen it is somewhere around 3 watts of electricity to get 1 W equivalent of hydrogen which might be able to get a 2 to 1 ratio in the future. I think certain sectors like aerospace will be okay with the additional cost due to other advantages but regular consumers it seems less likely. Cost for Hydrogen (I went with the lower number): https://h2fcp.org/content/cost-refill https://h2fcp.org/content/cost-refill